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		<title>By: Roger, Gone Green</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2005/11/11/a-taste-of-whats-to-brew/#comment-554</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger, Gone Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's funny; for something to change in a big company it has to be both the desire of management and in the awareness of line people. Gripe at the line people and they shrug and blame management; get management's ear and they shrug and blame mid-management.  So, I like to come at them from both sides.  It's not my job to train them, but I certainly do enjoy explaining what I want, and how they can give it to me -- especially using the Words of Power from Cindy's email.  (Rofl! Snort!)  'Course, to each his own -- and without your careful work on the guys and gals at the top, I couldn't have my fun! &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Roger&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;P.S. I have posted all -- and will post -- my challanges at &lt;A HREF="sbxfairtrade.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow"&gt;SBX Fairtrade &#038; Me&lt;/A&gt;, rather than my main blogs &lt;A HREF="http://easygreen.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow"&gt;Easy Green&lt;/A&gt; or &lt;A HREF="http://ezgreenjournal.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow"&gt;Observaitons&lt;/A&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny; for something to change in a big company it has to be both the desire of management and in the awareness of line people. Gripe at the line people and they shrug and blame management; get management&#8217;s ear and they shrug and blame mid-management.  So, I like to come at them from both sides.  It&#8217;s not my job to train them, but I certainly do enjoy explaining what I want, and how they can give it to me &#8212; especially using the Words of Power from Cindy&#8217;s email.  (Rofl! Snort!)  &#8216;Course, to each his own &#8212; and without your careful work on the guys and gals at the top, I couldn&#8217;t have my fun! </p>
<p>Roger</p>
<p>P.S. I have posted all &#8212; and will post &#8212; my challanges at <a HREF="sbxfairtrade.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow">SBX Fairtrade &#038; Me</a>, rather than my main blogs <a HREF="http://easygreen.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow">Easy Green</a> or <a HREF="http://ezgreenjournal.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow">Observaitons</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2005/11/11/a-taste-of-whats-to-brew/#comment-555</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spoke to a roaster and plantation owner recently that said fair trade had become corrupted by bureaucracy and is now worthless as a way of ensuring fair treatment of everyone involved in the industry. He monitors his plantation closely as a way of guaranteeing that everything is kosher. Unfortunately not all of us are able to take such drastic action primarily because of our financial situation, so we rely on fair trade being legitimate. To find out otherwise was a shock and made me question the authenticity of the organizations that promote this. It appears to be nothing more than a well thought out marketing campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spoke to a roaster and plantation owner recently that said fair trade had become corrupted by bureaucracy and is now worthless as a way of ensuring fair treatment of everyone involved in the industry. He monitors his plantation closely as a way of guaranteeing that everything is kosher. Unfortunately not all of us are able to take such drastic action primarily because of our financial situation, so we rely on fair trade being legitimate. To find out otherwise was a shock and made me question the authenticity of the organizations that promote this. It appears to be nothing more than a well thought out marketing campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: Siel</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2005/11/11/a-taste-of-whats-to-brew/#comment-556</link>
		<dc:creator>Siel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee -- As you may already know from having talked to this plantation owner, coffee plantations are not eligible for fair trade certification right now -- Certification's only avaliable for co-ops. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;So even though I do think that FLO, the org that does the certification, should move toward allowing plantations and indiv. farmers to get fair trade certification, I have to say I really question this plantation owner's contention that fair trade is "worthless." It seems, to me, that he may have a personal beef with the organization. Perhaps understandable, as his plantation, by default, isn't allowed to get certified whether or not it is socially responsible -- but I still feel that it's a rather broad generalization, to say the least, to claim that fair trade is worthless.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Besides this one plantation owner's word, have you had any other evidence pointing to fair trade's worthlessness? Because at this point, I've talked to a great many coffee roasters and fair trade-related organizations. And none of these -- even the companies that've opted against certification due to differences with either FLO or Transfair (the org that licences coffee roasters in the US as fair trade) -- have ever said that fair trade is worthless. In fact, many are quick to point out that they have similar goals as the fair trade movement -- just different ideas as to how these goals may be best achieved, which you can read more about in my &lt;A HREF="http://greenlagirl.blogspot.com/2005/08/coffee-crisis-series-collection.html" REL="nofollow"&gt;Coffee Crisis series&lt;/A&gt;.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Honestly, if there are widespread claims that fair trade is worthless, I'd like to know. But I do need more than she-said-he-said evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee &#8212; As you may already know from having talked to this plantation owner, coffee plantations are not eligible for fair trade certification right now &#8212; Certification&#8217;s only avaliable for co-ops. </p>
<p>So even though I do think that FLO, the org that does the certification, should move toward allowing plantations and indiv. farmers to get fair trade certification, I have to say I really question this plantation owner&#8217;s contention that fair trade is &#8220;worthless.&#8221; It seems, to me, that he may have a personal beef with the organization. Perhaps understandable, as his plantation, by default, isn&#8217;t allowed to get certified whether or not it is socially responsible &#8212; but I still feel that it&#8217;s a rather broad generalization, to say the least, to claim that fair trade is worthless.</p>
<p>Besides this one plantation owner&#8217;s word, have you had any other evidence pointing to fair trade&#8217;s worthlessness? Because at this point, I&#8217;ve talked to a great many coffee roasters and fair trade-related organizations. And none of these &#8212; even the companies that&#8217;ve opted against certification due to differences with either FLO or Transfair (the org that licences coffee roasters in the US as fair trade) &#8212; have ever said that fair trade is worthless. In fact, many are quick to point out that they have similar goals as the fair trade movement &#8212; just different ideas as to how these goals may be best achieved, which you can read more about in my <a HREF="http://greenlagirl.blogspot.com/2005/08/coffee-crisis-series-collection.html" REL="nofollow">Coffee Crisis series</a>.</p>
<p>Honestly, if there are widespread claims that fair trade is worthless, I&#8217;d like to know. But I do need more than she-said-he-said evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2005/11/11/a-taste-of-whats-to-brew/#comment-557</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A recent article on Fair Trade in the last E Magazine, &lt;A HREF="http://www. emagazine.com/view/?2929" REL="nofollow"&gt;Grounds for Change&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;All sounds pretty worthwhile to me....&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;And my ongoing admiration to Green LA Girl for her bulldog tenacity w/ all this, awesome!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A recent article on Fair Trade in the last E Magazine, <a HREF="http://www. emagazine.com/view/?2929" REL="nofollow">Grounds for Change</a><br />All sounds pretty worthwhile to me&#8230;.</p>
<p>And my ongoing admiration to Green LA Girl for her bulldog tenacity w/ all this, awesome!</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops, trying again, still new to this imbedded link thing. the article i mentioned on fair trade:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;A HREF="http://www.emagazine.com/view/?2929" REL="nofollow"&gt;Grounds for Change&lt;/A&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops, trying again, still new to this imbedded link thing. the article i mentioned on fair trade:<br /><a HREF="http://www.emagazine.com/view/?2929" REL="nofollow">Grounds for Change</a></p>
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		<title>By: Transmogrifier</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2005/11/11/a-taste-of-whats-to-brew/#comment-559</link>
		<dc:creator>Transmogrifier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great job! This is really turing out well. I have to say that I like the way Starbucks has approached this thing so far. I mean if they hadn't even responded and just ignored this it wouldn't probably have made much difference to them. There are already many people calling them names and stuff. But they chose to positively engage on this issue. Even if action taken on their part is small, it speaks a lot about the company, don't you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great job! This is really turing out well. I have to say that I like the way Starbucks has approached this thing so far. I mean if they hadn&#8217;t even responded and just ignored this it wouldn&#8217;t probably have made much difference to them. There are already many people calling them names and stuff. But they chose to positively engage on this issue. Even if action taken on their part is small, it speaks a lot about the company, don&#8217;t you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Ensie</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2005/11/11/a-taste-of-whats-to-brew/#comment-560</link>
		<dc:creator>Ensie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congrats on your event.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats on your event.</p>
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		<title>By: Siel</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2005/11/11/a-taste-of-whats-to-brew/#comment-561</link>
		<dc:creator>Siel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anna -- Thanks for the article :) And Ensie, thanks for dropping by again :)&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Transmogrifier -- It's really wonderful that both Cindy and Major took major chunks out of their days to communicate with me :) I am, however, still trying to decide whether this wonderfulness is relegated to the CSR department, or actual changes will be made in the company as a whole -- Hopefully the latter!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anna &#8212; Thanks for the article :) And Ensie, thanks for dropping by again :)</p>
<p>Transmogrifier &#8212; It&#8217;s really wonderful that both Cindy and Major took major chunks out of their days to communicate with me :) I am, however, still trying to decide whether this wonderfulness is relegated to the CSR department, or actual changes will be made in the company as a whole &#8212; Hopefully the latter!</p>
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