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	<title>Comments on: Coffee Crisis 109: The Catch-22 of fair trade debates</title>
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		<title>By: Kelin</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2005/11/30/coffee-crisis-109-the-catch-22-of-fair-trade-debates/#comment-10065</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 07:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good job.</description>
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		<title>By: wakeman</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2005/11/30/coffee-crisis-109-the-catch-22-of-fair-trade-debates/#comment-6844</link>
		<dc:creator>wakeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>perfect site good information, very nice news and etc... tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>perfect site good information, very nice news and etc&#8230; tnx</p>
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		<title>By: Siel</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2005/11/30/coffee-crisis-109-the-catch-22-of-fair-trade-debates/#comment-1615</link>
		<dc:creator>Siel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian -- The majority of fair trade certified coffee out there is STILL sold at conventional prices. And while some of that is cuz the stuff's just not up to par, there's plenty of quality beans out there that're still not being bought. I guess I'm saying that quality may be an issue, but not the PRIMARY issue that's holding Starbucks back from making a bigger commitment to Starbucks. It's a straw person argument.

That, coupled with the fact that part of the reason for some of the low quality beans is the fact that farmers are forced to pick their coffee cherries early in order to cover debts -- because they're not getting a fair price for their coffee and are desparate -- and the picture gets even more complicated.

But I totally see how what I wrote above could be seen as being contradictory read alone. Fair trade's such a complicated animal -- Writing in a blog format, it's hard to keep posts a relatively snappy read while covering all bases -- something I'm working on, but def. something I could improve on. In any case, I'm glad you commented and asked me to clarify :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian &#8212; The majority of fair trade certified coffee out there is STILL sold at conventional prices. And while some of that is cuz the stuff&#8217;s just not up to par, there&#8217;s plenty of quality beans out there that&#8217;re still not being bought. I guess I&#8217;m saying that quality may be an issue, but not the PRIMARY issue that&#8217;s holding Starbucks back from making a bigger commitment to Starbucks. It&#8217;s a straw person argument.</p>
<p>That, coupled with the fact that part of the reason for some of the low quality beans is the fact that farmers are forced to pick their coffee cherries early in order to cover debts &#8212; because they&#8217;re not getting a fair price for their coffee and are desparate &#8212; and the picture gets even more complicated.</p>
<p>But I totally see how what I wrote above could be seen as being contradictory read alone. Fair trade&#8217;s such a complicated animal &#8212; Writing in a blog format, it&#8217;s hard to keep posts a relatively snappy read while covering all bases &#8212; something I&#8217;m working on, but def. something I could improve on. In any case, I&#8217;m glad you commented and asked me to clarify :)</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2005/11/30/coffee-crisis-109-the-catch-22-of-fair-trade-debates/#comment-1608</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 06:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Well â€” Starbucks â€” How â€™bout coming back to us with that complaint AFTER buying a lil more of the fair trade certified coffee already out there? THEN we can talk seriously about getting big-farm plantations certified."

How much exactly should they buy in order for you to talk seriously? What if that amount does not exist in Starbucks standards. Remember not all FT coffee is in that quality range. 

I just stumbled on you site and think you do a fine job. I did notice however that you seem to contradict yourself all over the place when an opportunity arrises to slam Starbucks. You yourself mention the shortcomings of FT coffee as it relates to Starbucks needs and yet when you quote a Starbucks opinion making the same point you usually follow it with a sarcastic comment. I respect that you have a strong opinion but if in order to support your idea you have to ignor a reasonable point on the other side of the issue then your strong opinion is somhow weakend. 

I understand that it is not in your best interest to appear to concurr with Starbucks. Maybe you could use a little Fair Trade of ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Well â€” Starbucks â€” How â€™bout coming back to us with that complaint AFTER buying a lil more of the fair trade certified coffee already out there? THEN we can talk seriously about getting big-farm plantations certified.&#8221;</p>
<p>How much exactly should they buy in order for you to talk seriously? What if that amount does not exist in Starbucks standards. Remember not all FT coffee is in that quality range. </p>
<p>I just stumbled on you site and think you do a fine job. I did notice however that you seem to contradict yourself all over the place when an opportunity arrises to slam Starbucks. You yourself mention the shortcomings of FT coffee as it relates to Starbucks needs and yet when you quote a Starbucks opinion making the same point you usually follow it with a sarcastic comment. I respect that you have a strong opinion but if in order to support your idea you have to ignor a reasonable point on the other side of the issue then your strong opinion is somhow weakend. </p>
<p>I understand that it is not in your best interest to appear to concurr with Starbucks. Maybe you could use a little Fair Trade of ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenn</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2005/11/30/coffee-crisis-109-the-catch-22-of-fair-trade-debates/#comment-476</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Siel!&lt;BR/&gt;Thought I'd stop in and see what you're up to...A lot as usual. I can't even keep up! thought I'd drop you a note and let you know that I may have a backer for my shop! WooHoo! Still a ways off, but getting closer! Also, I found an organic FT coffee shop just blocks from my house! I was shocked! http://www.sunriseoasis.com/ They don't have much of a site yet, but I'm so excited! The only downfall is that they don't have a drive through, which is difficult with three kids, but for real FT, organic coffee, I'll rough it! :)&lt;BR/&gt;Hope you have a fabulous green day!&lt;BR/&gt;Be well,&lt;BR/&gt;Jenn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Siel!<br />Thought I&#8217;d stop in and see what you&#8217;re up to&#8230;A lot as usual. I can&#8217;t even keep up! thought I&#8217;d drop you a note and let you know that I may have a backer for my shop! WooHoo! Still a ways off, but getting closer! Also, I found an organic FT coffee shop just blocks from my house! I was shocked! <a href="http://www.sunriseoasis.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.sunriseoasis.com/</a> They don&#8217;t have much of a site yet, but I&#8217;m so excited! The only downfall is that they don&#8217;t have a drive through, which is difficult with three kids, but for real FT, organic coffee, I&#8217;ll rough it! :)<br />Hope you have a fabulous green day!<br />Be well,<br />Jenn</p>
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		<title>By: Siel</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2005/11/30/coffee-crisis-109-the-catch-22-of-fair-trade-debates/#comment-477</link>
		<dc:creator>Siel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've always wondered who it is taht actually uses the drive throughs at coffee shops -- I guess it would've been no mystrey to those with kids :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always wondered who it is taht actually uses the drive throughs at coffee shops &#8212; I guess it would&#8217;ve been no mystrey to those with kids :)</p>
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		<title>By: beev</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2005/11/30/coffee-crisis-109-the-catch-22-of-fair-trade-debates/#comment-478</link>
		<dc:creator>beev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>'right' and 'left' is &lt;B&gt;so&lt;/B&gt; last century :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;right&#8217; and &#8216;left&#8217; is <b>so</b> last century :)</p>
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		<title>By: Siel</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2005/11/30/coffee-crisis-109-the-catch-22-of-fair-trade-debates/#comment-479</link>
		<dc:creator>Siel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True -- But it's depressing how the two "sides" are getting even more polarized these days --&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;But it's been interesting, meeting more religious people who share fair trade interests :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True &#8212; But it&#8217;s depressing how the two &#8220;sides&#8221; are getting even more polarized these days &#8211;</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s been interesting, meeting more religious people who share fair trade interests :)</p>
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