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		<title>By: Siel</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2005/12/14/sober-shopping/#comment-859</link>
		<dc:creator>Siel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2005 02:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dubya bugs me so much. I drink to kill the pain -- Which I s'pose brings me back to Rodger's point --

BTW -- I feel no real guilt about drinking. I do, however, feel some guilt about getting nothing done on my hungover days. By nothing, I mean only knitting. Not dissing knitting, but I'm supposed to be working on a dissertation 'n stuff --</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dubya bugs me so much. I drink to kill the pain &#8212; Which I s&#8217;pose brings me back to Rodger&#8217;s point &#8211;</p>
<p>BTW &#8212; I feel no real guilt about drinking. I do, however, feel some guilt about getting nothing done on my hungover days. By nothing, I mean only knitting. Not dissing knitting, but I&#8217;m supposed to be working on a dissertation &#8216;n stuff &#8211;</p>
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		<title>By: BlondebutBright</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2005/12/14/sober-shopping/#comment-813</link>
		<dc:creator>BlondebutBright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2005 23:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Chris: American society does have a very warped view about alcohol. Our whole culture is built around over-consumption and guilt, it's just that there's a stigma attached to drinking more than other activities, such as binge eating or excessive shopping. I hear people do it all the time with food - but if you do with alcohol, suddenly you have a problem. Go figure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Chris: American society does have a very warped view about alcohol. Our whole culture is built around over-consumption and guilt, it&#8217;s just that there&#8217;s a stigma attached to drinking more than other activities, such as binge eating or excessive shopping. I hear people do it all the time with food - but if you do with alcohol, suddenly you have a problem. Go figure.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2005/12/14/sober-shopping/#comment-810</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2005 01:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh?  Where did I say you should stop thinking about things you deem to be a problem?  What I said was that you should change things you deem to be a problem.  And I meant-but didn't say- things internal to yourself.  Although I'm certainly open to the interpretation that George Bush bugs me; therfore I should do something about the fact that he's technically speaking my president.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh?  Where did I say you should stop thinking about things you deem to be a problem?  What I said was that you should change things you deem to be a problem.  And I meant-but didn&#8217;t say- things internal to yourself.  Although I&#8217;m certainly open to the interpretation that George Bush bugs me; therfore I should do something about the fact that he&#8217;s technically speaking my president.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2005/12/14/sober-shopping/#comment-793</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey to all Greens!

I am launching a 'social change' blog about ethical utopian society and hope to generate extensive flow of information.  please share what you think, I would appreciate it. If you like to affiliate with me, just let me know.
www.blackspotcafe.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey to all Greens!</p>
<p>I am launching a &#8217;social change&#8217; blog about ethical utopian society and hope to generate extensive flow of information.  please share what you think, I would appreciate it. If you like to affiliate with me, just let me know.<br />
<a href="http://www.blackspotcafe.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.blackspotcafe.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Siel</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2005/12/14/sober-shopping/#comment-792</link>
		<dc:creator>Siel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris -- You're back? Welcome back! You know I signed up for the beer activist newsletter a while back, but have never actually received one! What's up with that, huh? ;) Wondering if a new one just isn't out yet, or if I've been somehow excised from the list for trying to cut back...

Anyway, thanks everyone for weighing in :) My stance now: drinking good, hangover bad. I'm just trying to drink less so I'm hung over less.

Of course, since I'm down to 2 drinks a day, I've been thinking of buying bigger wine glasses...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris &#8212; You&#8217;re back? Welcome back! You know I signed up for the beer activist newsletter a while back, but have never actually received one! What&#8217;s up with that, huh? ;) Wondering if a new one just isn&#8217;t out yet, or if I&#8217;ve been somehow excised from the list for trying to cut back&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyway, thanks everyone for weighing in :) My stance now: drinking good, hangover bad. I&#8217;m just trying to drink less so I&#8217;m hung over less.</p>
<p>Of course, since I&#8217;m down to 2 drinks a day, I&#8217;ve been thinking of buying bigger wine glasses&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mateotemprano</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2005/12/14/sober-shopping/#comment-791</link>
		<dc:creator>mateotemprano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey:

chris, welcome back from ethiopia!

now, i have to say your comment up there is playing down siel's question. i agree with andrea in that if you are walking around feeling guilty and out of control about drinking (or just physically bad), you might think about drinking in a way, or not drinking in a way, that makes you feel better.

the difference between feeling bad about W and feeling bad about drinking is that you can choose to change the drinking habit.  W is another can of worms, he is outside the personal control of most of us (let's not go there!).

the problem with our culture and alcohol (or cigarettes, weed, coffee, etc) is not prudishness, it is excess. 1 or 2 beers is pretty harmless for most of us, but we want more more more. so this stuff is not inherently bad, it is just that many of us insist on using substances in a way that does not appreciate what they do. a lot of societies in the past used substances in rituals, ceremonies, and special occasions. now we just throw them back out of sheer habit.

anyway, i hear you on the beauty of a little beer. but on the other hand, to me any habit that mentally of physically makes you feel lousy should be jettisoned from your life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey:</p>
<p>chris, welcome back from ethiopia!</p>
<p>now, i have to say your comment up there is playing down siel&#8217;s question. i agree with andrea in that if you are walking around feeling guilty and out of control about drinking (or just physically bad), you might think about drinking in a way, or not drinking in a way, that makes you feel better.</p>
<p>the difference between feeling bad about W and feeling bad about drinking is that you can choose to change the drinking habit.  W is another can of worms, he is outside the personal control of most of us (let&#8217;s not go there!).</p>
<p>the problem with our culture and alcohol (or cigarettes, weed, coffee, etc) is not prudishness, it is excess. 1 or 2 beers is pretty harmless for most of us, but we want more more more. so this stuff is not inherently bad, it is just that many of us insist on using substances in a way that does not appreciate what they do. a lot of societies in the past used substances in rituals, ceremonies, and special occasions. now we just throw them back out of sheer habit.</p>
<p>anyway, i hear you on the beauty of a little beer. but on the other hand, to me any habit that mentally of physically makes you feel lousy should be jettisoned from your life.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris 'Beer Activist' O'Brien</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2005/12/14/sober-shopping/#comment-789</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris 'Beer Activist' O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Siel,

I doubt you have a 'drinking problem.' I disagree with Andrea's analysis that if it is bugging you then its a problem. By that definition, Carry Nation had a drinking problem - drinking bugged her an awful lot, so she had a drinking problem? Thinking about George Bush bugs me a lot, so I should stop thinking about George Bush? Just because _other_ people might have a problem with how much you drink doesn't mean _you_ have a problem. It's _their_ problem if they can't deal with the way you enjoy alcohol. 

Modern American society has a very warped view about alochol. We think it is inherently bad, and yet most of us like it and do it. This strange ambivalence is unique in human history. I could pontificate for a long time on this topic, but wait, I did - it is all in my new book! It's called Fermenting Revolution: How to Drink Beer and Save the World. But you'll have to wait about nine months before it hits the shelves. Keep an eye on www.beeractivist.com for updates. The book should be out in Sept. 2006 on New Society Publishers. In it, you will find extensive and fun reading about why drinking a mere two daily glasses of wine (or beer, my beverage of choice) is not only _not_ a problem, but is very significantly GOOD for your overall health and well-being - and that's not according to me, but to actual _scientists_. 

Fermenting Revolution,
Chris O'Brien

Drink Beer. Save the World.
www.beeractivist.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Siel,</p>
<p>I doubt you have a &#8216;drinking problem.&#8217; I disagree with Andrea&#8217;s analysis that if it is bugging you then its a problem. By that definition, Carry Nation had a drinking problem - drinking bugged her an awful lot, so she had a drinking problem? Thinking about George Bush bugs me a lot, so I should stop thinking about George Bush? Just because _other_ people might have a problem with how much you drink doesn&#8217;t mean _you_ have a problem. It&#8217;s _their_ problem if they can&#8217;t deal with the way you enjoy alcohol. </p>
<p>Modern American society has a very warped view about alochol. We think it is inherently bad, and yet most of us like it and do it. This strange ambivalence is unique in human history. I could pontificate for a long time on this topic, but wait, I did - it is all in my new book! It&#8217;s called Fermenting Revolution: How to Drink Beer and Save the World. But you&#8217;ll have to wait about nine months before it hits the shelves. Keep an eye on <a href="http://www.beeractivist.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.beeractivist.com</a> for updates. The book should be out in Sept. 2006 on New Society Publishers. In it, you will find extensive and fun reading about why drinking a mere two daily glasses of wine (or beer, my beverage of choice) is not only _not_ a problem, but is very significantly GOOD for your overall health and well-being - and that&#8217;s not according to me, but to actual _scientists_. </p>
<p>Fermenting Revolution,<br />
Chris O&#8217;Brien</p>
<p>Drink Beer. Save the World.<br />
<a href="http://www.beeractivist.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.beeractivist.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2005/12/14/sober-shopping/#comment-788</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Putting on my social worker hat -remember, you DID ask ;)

If it's bothering you, it's a problem.  I don't necessarily think it's a drinking problem in a medical sense, but it's bugging you.  You can change it.

For me, the key was in un-linking the notion of celebration and alcohol.  It happened when I was about your age, and had (have) a dear friend who's a recovering alcoholic.  OF COURSE, you don't serve wine when there's a person with relatively new sobriety at your house.  (Now we can; he doesn't mind at all.  But interestingly,  I no longer feel the need to do it.)  So we learned to entertain and be entertained without alcohol.  Seriously, there's been no loss of fun.

I still have ...I don't know... 2 or 3 glasses of wine a week.  And I have a serious liking for micro-brews, but no one else in my family does, so I avoid that one usually.  But a party without wine isn't a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Putting on my social worker hat -remember, you DID ask ;)</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s bothering you, it&#8217;s a problem.  I don&#8217;t necessarily think it&#8217;s a drinking problem in a medical sense, but it&#8217;s bugging you.  You can change it.</p>
<p>For me, the key was in un-linking the notion of celebration and alcohol.  It happened when I was about your age, and had (have) a dear friend who&#8217;s a recovering alcoholic.  OF COURSE, you don&#8217;t serve wine when there&#8217;s a person with relatively new sobriety at your house.  (Now we can; he doesn&#8217;t mind at all.  But interestingly,  I no longer feel the need to do it.)  So we learned to entertain and be entertained without alcohol.  Seriously, there&#8217;s been no loss of fun.</p>
<p>I still have &#8230;I don&#8217;t know&#8230; 2 or 3 glasses of wine a week.  And I have a serious liking for micro-brews, but no one else in my family does, so I avoid that one usually.  But a party without wine isn&#8217;t a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Rodger Jacobs</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2005/12/14/sober-shopping/#comment-786</link>
		<dc:creator>Rodger Jacobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 02:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What heresy is this? Drink up. We live in troubled times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What heresy is this? Drink up. We live in troubled times.</p>
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