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	<title>Comments on: The Dream of a unified public transport system</title>
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	<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2006/10/01/the-dream-of-a-unified-public-transport-system/</link>
	<description>Urban environmental lifestyle blog in Los Angeles</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 02:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Siel</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2006/10/01/the-dream-of-a-unified-public-transport-system/#comment-15167</link>
		<dc:creator>Siel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2006 04:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The aqua thing really was quite funny :P It's quite interesting how people'll get so worked up over something like that. I couldn't care less about the names, as long as we got these public transit projects going --</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The aqua thing really was quite funny :P It&#8217;s quite interesting how people&#8217;ll get so worked up over something like that. I couldn&#8217;t care less about the names, as long as we got these public transit projects going &#8211;</p>
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		<title>By: Wad</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2006/10/01/the-dream-of-a-unified-public-transport-system/#comment-14780</link>
		<dc:creator>Wad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 22:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If those 1-series bonds pass, this frees up money for serious politicking at the county level.

Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa wants to use the money for the subway extension, but he'll need at least 7 votes on the board to get that approved. Interestingly, the person who might support a subway extension is County Supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky, the same guy who wrote a law preventing local sales taxes to be used on tunneling. County Supervisor Mike Antonovich will lead the obstructionist faction.

Then again, if you witnesses how choosing a color for a rail line can melt down the decision-making process, L.A. will be caught napping and our money may go to the Central Valley and the Inland Empire to widen their freeways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If those 1-series bonds pass, this frees up money for serious politicking at the county level.</p>
<p>Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa wants to use the money for the subway extension, but he&#8217;ll need at least 7 votes on the board to get that approved. Interestingly, the person who might support a subway extension is County Supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky, the same guy who wrote a law preventing local sales taxes to be used on tunneling. County Supervisor Mike Antonovich will lead the obstructionist faction.</p>
<p>Then again, if you witnesses how choosing a color for a rail line can melt down the decision-making process, L.A. will be caught napping and our money may go to the Central Valley and the Inland Empire to widen their freeways.</p>
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		<title>By: Siel</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2006/10/01/the-dream-of-a-unified-public-transport-system/#comment-14747</link>
		<dc:creator>Siel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 08:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, we at least have the new transportation props coming up -- Must make sure we all vote seriously --</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, we at least have the new transportation props coming up &#8212; Must make sure we all vote seriously &#8211;</p>
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		<title>By: Wad</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2006/10/01/the-dream-of-a-unified-public-transport-system/#comment-14740</link>
		<dc:creator>Wad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 04:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have the charms: the Proposition A (1980) and C (1990) sales taxes.

The reason we don't have the "dream map" system is that not all of the tax money goes to rail. A large chunk of it goes to fund bus operations as well, and there is also the local return money that L.A.'s 88 cities spend on their city bus systems. Only about a dozen of these are actually useful, though.

Much of the rail map was "salvaged" through Metrolink, but that's only because construction costs are minimal and trains are oriented toward peak-hour commuters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have the charms: the Proposition A (1980) and C (1990) sales taxes.</p>
<p>The reason we don&#8217;t have the &#8220;dream map&#8221; system is that not all of the tax money goes to rail. A large chunk of it goes to fund bus operations as well, and there is also the local return money that L.A.&#8217;s 88 cities spend on their city bus systems. Only about a dozen of these are actually useful, though.</p>
<p>Much of the rail map was &#8220;salvaged&#8221; through Metrolink, but that&#8217;s only because construction costs are minimal and trains are oriented toward peak-hour commuters.</p>
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		<title>By: Siel</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2006/10/01/the-dream-of-a-unified-public-transport-system/#comment-14651</link>
		<dc:creator>Siel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 21:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude -- I'm a car owner, and I'm convinced we need better public transportation. Many of my friends feel the same, as many on the other blogs writing about this map do too.

And re: Ward's attempts -- Maybe the 3rd time's a charm? Simply giving up cuz the task's a big one would REALLY keep any kind of change from happening --</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude &#8212; I&#8217;m a car owner, and I&#8217;m convinced we need better public transportation. Many of my friends feel the same, as many on the other blogs writing about this map do too.</p>
<p>And re: Ward&#8217;s attempts &#8212; Maybe the 3rd time&#8217;s a charm? Simply giving up cuz the task&#8217;s a big one would REALLY keep any kind of change from happening &#8211;</p>
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		<title>By: Transit Advocate</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2006/10/01/the-dream-of-a-unified-public-transport-system/#comment-14638</link>
		<dc:creator>Transit Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 17:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's all well and good for people to dream and make maps showing what "could be", but here is the reality that none of them address.

THERE ISN'T MONEY FOR IT.

The reason so little rail has been built is that (1) the people who are wedded to their cars refuse to give up funds that are used for building more roads in order to fund mass transit and (2) organizations like the Bus Riders Union forced money into buses, even when there wasn't a real need.  (Did you know that the BRU claims that if there are more than four people standing on a bus, MTA should put another bus, which seats 43, on the street, to "alleviate the overcrowding"?)

Back in the 1970s, the late Supervisor Baxter Ward tried twice, both times unsuccessfully, to get the voters to pass a sales tax to fund a full 400+ mile rail rapid transit system in Los Angeles County.  Adjusting for inflation, if the voters had been smart and approved Ward's plan, that entire network of lines would have been built by 1995, at a cost less than what the Metro Red Line subway ended up costing in 2000 dollars.

All car owners care about is congestion and gridlock, and they think building more roads is the solution.  They are wrong, but you cannot convince them of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all well and good for people to dream and make maps showing what &#8220;could be&#8221;, but here is the reality that none of them address.</p>
<p>THERE ISN&#8217;T MONEY FOR IT.</p>
<p>The reason so little rail has been built is that (1) the people who are wedded to their cars refuse to give up funds that are used for building more roads in order to fund mass transit and (2) organizations like the Bus Riders Union forced money into buses, even when there wasn&#8217;t a real need.  (Did you know that the BRU claims that if there are more than four people standing on a bus, MTA should put another bus, which seats 43, on the street, to &#8220;alleviate the overcrowding&#8221;?)</p>
<p>Back in the 1970s, the late Supervisor Baxter Ward tried twice, both times unsuccessfully, to get the voters to pass a sales tax to fund a full 400+ mile rail rapid transit system in Los Angeles County.  Adjusting for inflation, if the voters had been smart and approved Ward&#8217;s plan, that entire network of lines would have been built by 1995, at a cost less than what the Metro Red Line subway ended up costing in 2000 dollars.</p>
<p>All car owners care about is congestion and gridlock, and they think building more roads is the solution.  They are wrong, but you cannot convince them of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny K</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2006/10/01/the-dream-of-a-unified-public-transport-system/#comment-14443</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow the L.A. subway system is like an inverted Blair Witch symbol!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow the L.A. subway system is like an inverted Blair Witch symbol!</p>
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