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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2007/10/29/copyeditors-are-fun/#comment-154435</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 04:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing is, though, that it is extremely likely that the L.A. Times has two audiences--one that reads in print and one that reads online. The demographics of these two audiences are probably very different. The people reading the blogs probably are a lot more "young" and "hip" than the print readers. I don't know exactly what the L.A. Times reader/user surveys show, but I'd be surprised if they didn't have different profiles for the content delivery systems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing is, though, that it is extremely likely that the L.A. Times has two audiences&#8211;one that reads in print and one that reads online. The demographics of these two audiences are probably very different. The people reading the blogs probably are a lot more &#8220;young&#8221; and &#8220;hip&#8221; than the print readers. I don&#8217;t know exactly what the L.A. Times reader/user surveys show, but I&#8217;d be surprised if they didn&#8217;t have different profiles for the content delivery systems.</p>
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		<title>By: eric</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2007/10/29/copyeditors-are-fun/#comment-154318</link>
		<dc:creator>eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, lots of discussion about big upping. 

My other thought is that "big up" is more often used as a noun, as in "giving big ups to..." Similar to giving a "shout out" or props (or even "mad props").</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, lots of discussion about big upping. </p>
<p>My other thought is that &#8220;big up&#8221; is more often used as a noun, as in &#8220;giving big ups to&#8230;&#8221; Similar to giving a &#8220;shout out&#8221; or props (or even &#8220;mad props&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: L S</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2007/10/29/copyeditors-are-fun/#comment-154245</link>
		<dc:creator>L S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 06:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a 27-year-old male, I initially had no idea what "big up" meant and I would guess a lot of LA Times readers wouldn't either. I'd also consider my friends fairly in tune to "modern" slang and not a single one uses the phrase "big up". And I often listen to rap (where big up is actually used a lot), but the meaning is different from how you use it so it simply adds to the confusion. 

Anyway, I'd suggest you consider the audience for your postings - LA Times readers who are unlikely to be young or "hip". If they don't understand your posts, your potential positive suggestions will be unheeded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a 27-year-old male, I initially had no idea what &#8220;big up&#8221; meant and I would guess a lot of LA Times readers wouldn&#8217;t either. I&#8217;d also consider my friends fairly in tune to &#8220;modern&#8221; slang and not a single one uses the phrase &#8220;big up&#8221;. And I often listen to rap (where big up is actually used a lot), but the meaning is different from how you use it so it simply adds to the confusion. </p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;d suggest you consider the audience for your postings - LA Times readers who are unlikely to be young or &#8220;hip&#8221;. If they don&#8217;t understand your posts, your potential positive suggestions will be unheeded.</p>
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		<title>By: Raphael</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2007/10/29/copyeditors-are-fun/#comment-154040</link>
		<dc:creator>Raphael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Siel, I didn't mean to imply that you were writing a myspace profile. I fully agree with your position about using a different voice in a blog versus a column. And I totally big up your big up. Sorry if I made any offense.

A blog should be understood by its intended audience--not necessarily everyone, of course, but by the people the author is trying to reach. I think the copy editor is struggling with the fact that the LAT usually writes for an extremely broad audience who won't be familiar with some of those phrases.

Although clarity is a very important concern for good writing, no less important is that it should be &lt;em&gt;fun&lt;/em&gt; to read! Which is exactly why I read your blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Siel, I didn&#8217;t mean to imply that you were writing a myspace profile. I fully agree with your position about using a different voice in a blog versus a column. And I totally big up your big up. Sorry if I made any offense.</p>
<p>A blog should be understood by its intended audience&#8211;not necessarily everyone, of course, but by the people the author is trying to reach. I think the copy editor is struggling with the fact that the LAT usually writes for an extremely broad audience who won&#8217;t be familiar with some of those phrases.</p>
<p>Although clarity is a very important concern for good writing, no less important is that it should be <em>fun</em> to read! Which is exactly why I read your blog.</p>
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		<title>By: meg</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2007/10/29/copyeditors-are-fun/#comment-154011</link>
		<dc:creator>meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to speak up for "big up."  It's a phrase I would never use, which is precisely why I love reading it in your blog, along with various other colloquialisms, only some of which I've encountered before.  Voice isn't wholly comprised of diction, but vocabulary choice is one of the most obvious ways in which a blog differs from an online column.  Kudos to the LAT for the "typos and libel" policy, even if it's observed more in the breach than the practice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to speak up for &#8220;big up.&#8221;  It&#8217;s a phrase I would never use, which is precisely why I love reading it in your blog, along with various other colloquialisms, only some of which I&#8217;ve encountered before.  Voice isn&#8217;t wholly comprised of diction, but vocabulary choice is one of the most obvious ways in which a blog differs from an online column.  Kudos to the LAT for the &#8220;typos and libel&#8221; policy, even if it&#8217;s observed more in the breach than the practice.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2007/10/29/copyeditors-are-fun/#comment-154006</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After I posted, I thought of other examples, such as "make noise about." Really, there are lots of options, and this sounds like a copyeditor who shouldn't be cold-reading blogs.

The thing is, just about all writing should have a voice--even news writing. News coverage is supposed to be balanced, not boring. Frankly, even good technical editors have a voice. That's why the Dummies books are so successful and distinct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After I posted, I thought of other examples, such as &#8220;make noise about.&#8221; Really, there are lots of options, and this sounds like a copyeditor who shouldn&#8217;t be cold-reading blogs.</p>
<p>The thing is, just about all writing should have a voice&#8211;even news writing. News coverage is supposed to be balanced, not boring. Frankly, even good technical editors have a voice. That&#8217;s why the Dummies books are so successful and distinct.</p>
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		<title>By: Siel</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2007/10/29/copyeditors-are-fun/#comment-153810</link>
		<dc:creator>Siel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raphael -- So the new media blog you (don't even) write's held to this more superior and "different" plus "good" standard? Would love to hear why the “typos and libel” only rule isn't a good enough standard for you.

Clarity's ONE concern. But no one actually enjoys reading a direction manual, even if it's very clear. And I'm not writing a fucking myspace profile.

Kate -- Talk up, I agree, would've been a more appropriate suggestion --</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raphael &#8212; So the new media blog you (don&#8217;t even) write&#8217;s held to this more superior and &#8220;different&#8221; plus &#8220;good&#8221; standard? Would love to hear why the “typos and libel” only rule isn&#8217;t a good enough standard for you.</p>
<p>Clarity&#8217;s ONE concern. But no one actually enjoys reading a direction manual, even if it&#8217;s very clear. And I&#8217;m not writing a fucking myspace profile.</p>
<p>Kate &#8212; Talk up, I agree, would&#8217;ve been a more appropriate suggestion &#8211;</p>
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		<title>By: Raphael</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2007/10/29/copyeditors-are-fun/#comment-153744</link>
		<dc:creator>Raphael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 03:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I don't think it was unclear in this case, Siel, and I think you were right to stand by your word choice. But I think that a blanket "typos and libel" only rule isn't really a very good standard to use, and I don't think it's a case of the MSM failing to adapt to new media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I don&#8217;t think it was unclear in this case, Siel, and I think you were right to stand by your word choice. But I think that a blanket &#8220;typos and libel&#8221; only rule isn&#8217;t really a very good standard to use, and I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a case of the MSM failing to adapt to new media.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2007/10/29/copyeditors-are-fun/#comment-153653</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 01:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm surprised the copyeditor didn't recommend something like "talk up," which would have been closer in tone and kept the meaning--and would have been a bit more mainstream, if he or she found it obscure.

Meanwhile, I've never heard "big up," but knew exactly what you meant by it. Maybe the L.A. Times would be more highly regarded if they started with the assumption that their readers can read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised the copyeditor didn&#8217;t recommend something like &#8220;talk up,&#8221; which would have been closer in tone and kept the meaning&#8211;and would have been a bit more mainstream, if he or she found it obscure.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, I&#8217;ve never heard &#8220;big up,&#8221; but knew exactly what you meant by it. Maybe the L.A. Times would be more highly regarded if they started with the assumption that their readers can read.</p>
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		<title>By: Siel</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/2007/10/29/copyeditors-are-fun/#comment-153627</link>
		<dc:creator>Siel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you feel the sentence is unclear?

I just don't think I need to sound like a copyeditor to get my point across.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you feel the sentence is unclear?</p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t think I need to sound like a copyeditor to get my point across.</p>
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