Comments on: Vote 2008! Prop 94 - 97: Amending the Indian Gaming Compact http://greenlagirl.com/2008/02/03/vote-2008-prop-94-97-amending-the-indian-gaming-compact/ Urban environmental lifestyle blog in Los Angeles Fri, 21 Nov 2008 05:37:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: anotherview http://greenlagirl.com/2008/02/03/vote-2008-prop-94-97-amending-the-indian-gaming-compact/#comment-229648 anotherview Sun, 17 Feb 2008 05:41:16 +0000 http://greenlagirl.com/2008/02/03/vote-2008-prop-94-97-amending-the-indian-gaming-compact/#comment-229648 Siel: Tribal casinos do advertise to penetrate a market where demand already exists. Strictly speaking, advertising itself may or may not induce demand, but surely brings a product to the attention of consumers. Take milk as an example. One could assume a fairly steady demand exists for this product. Yes, advertising may marginally create demand for milk, but more likely an advertiser may aim to sway consumers to buy milk from one over another. Likewise, a demand for slot machines exists apart from any advertising. Please note that without any advertising for years, the Pechanga tribal casino attracted tens of thousands of patrons to come there. Awareness of this casino occurred via word of mouth. In this circumstance, one might call this patronage an expression of natural demand. This patronage often reached numbers exceeding the capacity of the casino to accommodate it. The casino continually expanded to meet this natural demand, without advertising. Yet, market consultants informed the tribal leadership that its casino still had not reached its entire market. Advertising would help to do so. The casino began advertising to bring awareness of its existence to gamers throughout its market. In the end, of course, an unquantified fraction of the gaming market will become created wholly anew from the activity of advertising. But nearly all the gamers already gamble elsewhere, usually at other tribal casinos or in Nevada. Your point about advertising creating demand holds validity while at best defining only a tiny fraction of the gaming public. Virtually all demand among gamers now occurs without an iota of advertising. Tribal casinos fill this demand. Siel: Tribal casinos do advertise to penetrate a market where demand already exists. Strictly speaking, advertising itself may or may not induce demand, but surely brings a product to the attention of consumers. Take milk as an example. One could assume a fairly steady demand exists for this product. Yes, advertising may marginally create demand for milk, but more likely an advertiser may aim to sway consumers to buy milk from one over another. Likewise, a demand for slot machines exists apart from any advertising. Please note that without any advertising for years, the Pechanga tribal casino attracted tens of thousands of patrons to come there. Awareness of this casino occurred via word of mouth. In this circumstance, one might call this patronage an expression of natural demand. This patronage often reached numbers exceeding the capacity of the casino to accommodate it. The casino continually expanded to meet this natural demand, without advertising. Yet, market consultants informed the tribal leadership that its casino still had not reached its entire market. Advertising would help to do so. The casino began advertising to bring awareness of its existence to gamers throughout its market. In the end, of course, an unquantified fraction of the gaming market will become created wholly anew from the activity of advertising. But nearly all the gamers already gamble elsewhere, usually at other tribal casinos or in Nevada. Your point about advertising creating demand holds validity while at best defining only a tiny fraction of the gaming public. Virtually all demand among gamers now occurs without an iota of advertising. Tribal casinos fill this demand.

]]> By: Siel http://greenlagirl.com/2008/02/03/vote-2008-prop-94-97-amending-the-indian-gaming-compact/#comment-220473 Siel Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:57:43 +0000 http://greenlagirl.com/2008/02/03/vote-2008-prop-94-97-amending-the-indian-gaming-compact/#comment-220473 My point is that casinos aren't simply expanding to meet existing customer demand, as you implied in your first comment. They are actively working to increase customer demand via ads, etc. My point is that casinos aren’t simply expanding to meet existing customer demand, as you implied in your first comment. They are actively working to increase customer demand via ads, etc.

]]> By: anotherview http://greenlagirl.com/2008/02/03/vote-2008-prop-94-97-amending-the-indian-gaming-compact/#comment-220191 anotherview Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:11:45 +0000 http://greenlagirl.com/2008/02/03/vote-2008-prop-94-97-amending-the-indian-gaming-compact/#comment-220191 Siel: Advertising serves to create awareness of a tribal casino, to attract customers, and to penetrate the market. Las Vegas casinos regularly do the same, by advertising in California. A few tribal casinos have become successful to the point where the artificial cap of 2000 slot machines could not meet their customer demand. These casinos naturally wanted to add more slot machines, to continue to grow their business. Thankfully, the voters of California have again sided with the tribes to support their gaming enterprises on their reservation lands. Siel: Advertising serves to create awareness of a tribal casino, to attract customers, and to penetrate the market. Las Vegas casinos regularly do the same, by advertising in California. A few tribal casinos have become successful to the point where the artificial cap of 2000 slot machines could not meet their customer demand. These casinos naturally wanted to add more slot machines, to continue to grow their business. Thankfully, the voters of California have again sided with the tribes to support their gaming enterprises on their reservation lands.

]]> By: Siel http://greenlagirl.com/2008/02/03/vote-2008-prop-94-97-amending-the-indian-gaming-compact/#comment-219709 Siel Wed, 06 Feb 2008 00:40:39 +0000 http://greenlagirl.com/2008/02/03/vote-2008-prop-94-97-amending-the-indian-gaming-compact/#comment-219709 Dude, if the casinos were simply meeting "customer demand," they wouldn't even need to advertise during the Super Bowl. Dude, if the casinos were simply meeting “customer demand,” they wouldn’t even need to advertise during the Super Bowl.

]]> By: anotherview http://greenlagirl.com/2008/02/03/vote-2008-prop-94-97-amending-the-indian-gaming-compact/#comment-218734 anotherview Tue, 05 Feb 2008 05:50:14 +0000 http://greenlagirl.com/2008/02/03/vote-2008-prop-94-97-amending-the-indian-gaming-compact/#comment-218734 Economic progress must include tribes, too. The 4 tribes seeking amended gaming compacts want more slot machines to meet customer demand. Every other successful American business grows, and so should tribal casinos. Tribal casinos function as economic engines in their communities, employing tens of thousands of citizens with good jobs and benefits. From the 4 amended tribal gaming compacts, the state will receive hundreds of millions of dollars without new taxes or debt. Let us hope the voters on Feb. 5th see the positives, and vote Yes on Propositions 94, 95, 96, and 97. Economic progress must include tribes, too. The 4 tribes seeking amended gaming compacts want more slot machines to meet customer demand. Every other successful American business grows, and so should tribal casinos. Tribal casinos function as economic engines in their communities, employing tens of thousands of citizens with good jobs and benefits. From the 4 amended tribal gaming compacts, the state will receive hundreds of millions of dollars without new taxes or debt. Let us hope the voters on Feb. 5th see the positives, and vote Yes on Propositions 94, 95, 96, and 97.

]]> By: Kate http://greenlagirl.com/2008/02/03/vote-2008-prop-94-97-amending-the-indian-gaming-compact/#comment-218620 Kate Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:06:54 +0000 http://greenlagirl.com/2008/02/03/vote-2008-prop-94-97-amending-the-indian-gaming-compact/#comment-218620 I'm curious (and, Amanda, maybe you or your cousin can supply some insight)--why the need for slots? If Pechanga can afford to buy an ad during the Super Bowl, isn't their current cash flow pretty good? It seems to me that $9 billion wouldn't go far enough, even if we got it all the day after the election. I’m curious (and, Amanda, maybe you or your cousin can supply some insight)–why the need for slots? If Pechanga can afford to buy an ad during the Super Bowl, isn’t their current cash flow pretty good?

It seems to me that $9 billion wouldn’t go far enough, even if we got it all the day after the election.

]]> By: Original Pechanga http://greenlagirl.com/2008/02/03/vote-2008-prop-94-97-amending-the-indian-gaming-compact/#comment-218612 Original Pechanga Tue, 05 Feb 2008 01:57:46 +0000 http://greenlagirl.com/2008/02/03/vote-2008-prop-94-97-amending-the-indian-gaming-compact/#comment-218612 A NO vote is the way to go. Come see my blog for more on Pechanga: http://originalpechanga.blogspot.com Pechanga has violated the civil rights of it's people by disenrolling 25% of their tribe, and this way, they can control the votes and power. Las Vegas casinos pay $29% to the state and their citizenz have NO income taxes. We could probably reduce ours if the tribes paid more. A NO vote is the way to go. Come see my blog for more on Pechanga: http://originalpechanga.blogspot.com

Pechanga has violated the civil rights of it’s people by disenrolling 25% of their tribe, and this way, they can control the votes and power.

Las Vegas casinos pay $29% to the state and their citizenz have NO income taxes. We could probably reduce ours if the tribes paid more.

]]> By: Amanda http://greenlagirl.com/2008/02/03/vote-2008-prop-94-97-amending-the-indian-gaming-compact/#comment-218341 Amanda Mon, 04 Feb 2008 17:47:50 +0000 http://greenlagirl.com/2008/02/03/vote-2008-prop-94-97-amending-the-indian-gaming-compact/#comment-218341 I was wavering back and forth for a while.. a cousin of mine is a Pechanga Tribe member - I sort of felt torn. But after some thought and research I am leaning towards NO - on all four. Hopefully my cousin doesn't get upset, but honestly, each Tribe member gets $30,000 a MONTH... how could they need more. I see how they spend their money and it's sad. That is not the only reason why I thinking I will vote No.. there are others, too many to write: http://www.laweekly.com/news/news/propositions-94-95-96-97/18259/ I was wavering back and forth for a while.. a cousin of mine is a Pechanga Tribe member - I sort of felt torn.

But after some thought and research I am leaning towards NO - on all four.

Hopefully my cousin doesn’t get upset, but honestly, each Tribe member gets $30,000 a MONTH… how could they need more. I see how they spend their money and it’s sad. That is not the only reason why I thinking I will vote No.. there are others, too many to write: http://www.laweekly.com/news/news/propositions-94-95-96-97/18259/

]]> By: don hosek http://greenlagirl.com/2008/02/03/vote-2008-prop-94-97-amending-the-indian-gaming-compact/#comment-218254 don hosek Mon, 04 Feb 2008 15:35:53 +0000 http://greenlagirl.com/2008/02/03/vote-2008-prop-94-97-amending-the-indian-gaming-compact/#comment-218254 I'm splitting the difference: Yes on the first two, no on the second two. I’m splitting the difference: Yes on the first two, no on the second two.

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