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	<title>Comments on: A fair trade rose is a VeriFlora rose is an organic rose?</title>
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		<title>By: roberto nevado</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/a-fair-trade-rose-is-a-veriflora-rose-is-an-organic-rose/comment-page-1/#comment-217663</link>
		<dc:creator>roberto nevado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 22:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>interesting to see that finally the differences among certifications are becoming more  clear.
We can not avoid the proliferation of certifications but slowly these will become a bit more aligned to each other
On the other hand, this is an expensive tool that so far is beeing paid mainly by the producers, not so much by the importers or consumers that wish organic, fair trade and sustainable flowers but , so far, are not prepared to pay the much higher price that all these systems implicate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>interesting to see that finally the differences among certifications are becoming more  clear.<br />
We can not avoid the proliferation of certifications but slowly these will become a bit more aligned to each other<br />
On the other hand, this is an expensive tool that so far is beeing paid mainly by the producers, not so much by the importers or consumers that wish organic, fair trade and sustainable flowers but , so far, are not prepared to pay the much higher price that all these systems implicate</p>
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		<title>By: Siel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Siel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 20:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>don -- I agree re: getting local flowers; I wrote &lt;a href=&quot;http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/emeraldcity/2008/02/eco-valentines.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;more about that here&lt;/a&gt;. But for this post, I was just evaluating the different certification programs. 

Jos -- Organic certification in the US is overseen by the USDA. At the Santa Monica farmers&#039; market that don and I both go to, booths from certified organic farms are marked with a pennant that reads &quot;certified organic.&quot; I think the problem you&#039;re pointing to is that some people will say their product is organic, but not be certified -- which many consumers find difficult to trust (and rightly so). The key for you might be to look for the certification.

Annie -- It seems you&#039;re familiar with VeriFlora standards, but not familiar with fair trade standards. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fairtrade.net/fileadmin/user_upload/content/FLO_Prohibited_Materials_List_Dec_2007_EN.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s the list of prohibited materials&lt;/a&gt; for fair trade products that should help you see that VeriFlora is not the ONLY flower label that does these things. You&#039;ll notice that #2 and #5 that you mention are not requirements of VeriFlora, but recommendations -- something I&#039;m trying to distinguish between in this post. In any case, it&#039;s not like I said VeriFlora is evil; I simply said that fair trade certification standards -- the MINIMUM REQUIRED standards, not the voluntary recommended ones -- are more stringent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don &#8212; I agree re: getting local flowers; I wrote <a href="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/emeraldcity/2008/02/eco-valentines.html" rel="nofollow">more about that here</a>. But for this post, I was just evaluating the different certification programs. </p>
<p>Jos &#8212; Organic certification in the US is overseen by the USDA. At the Santa Monica farmers&#8217; market that don and I both go to, booths from certified organic farms are marked with a pennant that reads &#8220;certified organic.&#8221; I think the problem you&#8217;re pointing to is that some people will say their product is organic, but not be certified &#8212; which many consumers find difficult to trust (and rightly so). The key for you might be to look for the certification.</p>
<p>Annie &#8212; It seems you&#8217;re familiar with VeriFlora standards, but not familiar with fair trade standards. <a href="http://www.fairtrade.net/fileadmin/user_upload/content/FLO_Prohibited_Materials_List_Dec_2007_EN.pdf" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s the list of prohibited materials</a> for fair trade products that should help you see that VeriFlora is not the ONLY flower label that does these things. You&#8217;ll notice that #2 and #5 that you mention are not requirements of VeriFlora, but recommendations &#8212; something I&#8217;m trying to distinguish between in this post. In any case, it&#8217;s not like I said VeriFlora is evil; I simply said that fair trade certification standards &#8212; the MINIMUM REQUIRED standards, not the voluntary recommended ones &#8212; are more stringent.</p>
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		<title>By: Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 19:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Veriflora is not the only flower label program that requires the elimination of agrochemicals as Annie states above.  If you visit http://www.FairTradeCertifiedFlowers.org you will see that Fair Trade Flowers also require those to be eliminated.  

As far as I can tell Fair Trade Certified is the only label that supports environmental protection AND worker protection AND economic development.

How is a farm supposed to become organic if the money towards becoming organic is suddenly pulled out of the paychecks of workers who already are not making enough money to support their families?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Veriflora is not the only flower label program that requires the elimination of agrochemicals as Annie states above.  If you visit <a href="http://www.FairTradeCertifiedFlowers.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.FairTradeCertifiedFlowers.org</a> you will see that Fair Trade Flowers also require those to be eliminated.  </p>
<p>As far as I can tell Fair Trade Certified is the only label that supports environmental protection AND worker protection AND economic development.</p>
<p>How is a farm supposed to become organic if the money towards becoming organic is suddenly pulled out of the paychecks of workers who already are not making enough money to support their families?</p>
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		<title>By: Annie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The world of standards is complex. Peeling back the two standards further reveals some important unmentioned differences that consumers may wish to know. VeriFlora is the only flower label program that:

1. Requires the elimination of agrochemicals that 
the World Health Organization has identified as extremely hazardous and highly hazardous;
2. Calls for the phase out of additional chemicals based on human health and environmental risk;
3. Applies to cut flowers AND potted plants produced anywhere and sold in North America;
4. Requires progress in energy efficiency;
5. Integrates organic farming.

Sustainability goes beyond organic and beyond fair labor to ALSO consider waste management, soil fertility, water conservation, eco-habitat protection, packaging, energy efficiency and quality.

And, VeriFlora is not just for the trade. It&#039;s a consumer label indeed and lets you know that the flowers were Certified Sustainably Grown: &quot;good for people and good for the planet.&quot;

Happy Valentine&#039;s Day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The world of standards is complex. Peeling back the two standards further reveals some important unmentioned differences that consumers may wish to know. VeriFlora is the only flower label program that:</p>
<p>1. Requires the elimination of agrochemicals that<br />
the World Health Organization has identified as extremely hazardous and highly hazardous;<br />
2. Calls for the phase out of additional chemicals based on human health and environmental risk;<br />
3. Applies to cut flowers AND potted plants produced anywhere and sold in North America;<br />
4. Requires progress in energy efficiency;<br />
5. Integrates organic farming.</p>
<p>Sustainability goes beyond organic and beyond fair labor to ALSO consider waste management, soil fertility, water conservation, eco-habitat protection, packaging, energy efficiency and quality.</p>
<p>And, VeriFlora is not just for the trade. It&#8217;s a consumer label indeed and lets you know that the flowers were Certified Sustainably Grown: &#8220;good for people and good for the planet.&#8221;</p>
<p>Happy Valentine&#8217;s Day!</p>
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		<title>By: Jos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicely said and well investigated, 

I think the most important issue is that FTC flowers are consumer recognized with the 
Transfair label. 

The consumer can vote with their wallet and money is send back to the communities in the developing countries. And all of this is monitored by TransFair... and IT WORKS.
 
Veriflora is labeled for the flower trade.

Both Labels are a welcome change in our industry and should be supported.

Ref organic.  Rules and regulations on what is organic are very unclear.
We tried to import (what we believed were) organic flowers.
It is very difficult to get them across the borders because international rules about bugs and pests in the flowers are clear. … Not allowed.
Locally grown flowers might be “labeled “organic but ….. Who controls that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely said and well investigated, </p>
<p>I think the most important issue is that FTC flowers are consumer recognized with the<br />
Transfair label. </p>
<p>The consumer can vote with their wallet and money is send back to the communities in the developing countries. And all of this is monitored by TransFair&#8230; and IT WORKS.</p>
<p>Veriflora is labeled for the flower trade.</p>
<p>Both Labels are a welcome change in our industry and should be supported.</p>
<p>Ref organic.  Rules and regulations on what is organic are very unclear.<br />
We tried to import (what we believed were) organic flowers.<br />
It is very difficult to get them across the borders because international rules about bugs and pests in the flowers are clear. … Not allowed.<br />
Locally grown flowers might be “labeled “organic but ….. Who controls that?</p>
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		<title>By: don hosek</title>
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		<dc:creator>don hosek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair trade for flowers seems absurd to me, especially given that we live somewhere where local flowers are available year-round.

Just go to the farmers&#039; market and get local flowers. End of discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair trade for flowers seems absurd to me, especially given that we live somewhere where local flowers are available year-round.</p>
<p>Just go to the farmers&#8217; market and get local flowers. End of discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: OrganicAssistant</title>
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		<dc:creator>OrganicAssistant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I forgot to add that I have put this very interesting article in our News section.
http://www.organicassistant.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I forgot to add that I have put this very interesting article in our News section.<br />
<a href="http://www.organicassistant.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.organicassistant.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: OrganicAssistant</title>
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		<dc:creator>OrganicAssistant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t agree more. 
If only!
Organic + Fair Trade is the ideal solution.
I have put together an Organic Website and I put here the link to show you the number of IFOAM certificated people and their associates.
There are many, many more &quot;flavors&quot; of Organic Certification that exist in addition to these!!
http://www.organicassistant.com/organisations/certificators.php
http://www.ifoam.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more.<br />
If only!<br />
Organic + Fair Trade is the ideal solution.<br />
I have put together an Organic Website and I put here the link to show you the number of IFOAM certificated people and their associates.<br />
There are many, many more &#8220;flavors&#8221; of Organic Certification that exist in addition to these!!<br />
<a href="http://www.organicassistant.com/organisations/certificators.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.organicassistant.com/organisations/certificators.php</a><br />
<a href="http://www.ifoam.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ifoam.org/</a></p>
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