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		<title>By: Siel</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/a-starbucked-world-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-104850</link>
		<dc:creator>Siel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 06:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for stopping by again, and for yr words of encouragement :) And if you let me know what city you live in, I can try to point you to some local coffee shops -- assuming Starbucks hasn&#039;t already driven out the ones in yr area --</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for stopping by again, and for yr words of encouragement :) And if you let me know what city you live in, I can try to point you to some local coffee shops &#8212; assuming Starbucks hasn&#8217;t already driven out the ones in yr area &#8211;</p>
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		<title>By: jmstargirl</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/a-starbucked-world-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-104774</link>
		<dc:creator>jmstargirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 23:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. I must have been in a bad mood the day I wrote my previous comment! I think I was just frustrated over the whole &quot;the little guy is better&quot; mentality that isn&#039;t necessarily true. Misguided I suppose because that wasn&#039;t the point of your article. At any rate, I did a more thorough investigation of your website and I feel sheepish for my previous comment. You are obviously passionate about making ethically correct choices and I respect you for that. You&#039;ve inspired me to stop making excuses for my Starbucks habit! Now if I could only find a coffee shop around here that not only serves fair trade, but also knows how to make a good soy latte.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I must have been in a bad mood the day I wrote my previous comment! I think I was just frustrated over the whole &#8220;the little guy is better&#8221; mentality that isn&#8217;t necessarily true. Misguided I suppose because that wasn&#8217;t the point of your article. At any rate, I did a more thorough investigation of your website and I feel sheepish for my previous comment. You are obviously passionate about making ethically correct choices and I respect you for that. You&#8217;ve inspired me to stop making excuses for my Starbucks habit! Now if I could only find a coffee shop around here that not only serves fair trade, but also knows how to make a good soy latte.</p>
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		<title>By: Siel</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/a-starbucked-world-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-90133</link>
		<dc:creator>Siel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 02:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Have you ever investigated yours?&quot;

jmstargirl -- If you just shift your eyes over to the left column, you&#039;ll see a link to a list of fair trade coffee shops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Have you ever investigated yours?&#8221;</p>
<p>jmstargirl &#8212; If you just shift your eyes over to the left column, you&#8217;ll see a link to a list of fair trade coffee shops.</p>
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		<title>By: jmstargirl</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/a-starbucked-world-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-89872</link>
		<dc:creator>jmstargirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 23:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know I&#039;m reading this a year and a half too late but I still felt the need to comment. 

While I agree with almost everything mentioned about globalization and fair trade, where exactly do you think the average small coffee shop (scs)gets their coffee from? Have you ever investigated yours? And should we really support a scs simply because it&#039;s a scs? Not IMHO. A scs that doesn&#039;t use fair trade or organic coffee shouldn&#039;t be patronized simply because it&#039;s not Starbucks.(*$) After all, the prices aren&#039;t any cheaper at your average scs. Although *$ purchases less than 5% of their coffee as fair trade, they are still the largest purchaser of fair trade coffee in North America. That&#039;s significant and not to be overlooked. Yes, they should certainly be purchasing even more fair trade and doing even more to support coffee farmers. I&#039;ll never disagree with that statement. But think about it: Due to the global popularity of *$, there are now many more coffee farmers than there were 20 years ago. Without *$, many of these farms would simply go out of business. Not only due to direct sales, but due to the effect that *$ has had on global coffee consumption in general. And while they have put a lot of small shops out of business, they&#039;ve also allowed a lot of small shops to thrive by creating the current coffee consumption trend. According to their store locater, there are 15 *$ within 2 miles of me. That includes the ones that are located inside of Safeway and the Convention Center. There are at least 13 scs (locally owned) within the same 2 miles radius. I&#039;m sure that there are even more located in various state buildings that I don&#039;t even know about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I&#8217;m reading this a year and a half too late but I still felt the need to comment. </p>
<p>While I agree with almost everything mentioned about globalization and fair trade, where exactly do you think the average small coffee shop (scs)gets their coffee from? Have you ever investigated yours? And should we really support a scs simply because it&#8217;s a scs? Not IMHO. A scs that doesn&#8217;t use fair trade or organic coffee shouldn&#8217;t be patronized simply because it&#8217;s not Starbucks.(*$) After all, the prices aren&#8217;t any cheaper at your average scs. Although *$ purchases less than 5% of their coffee as fair trade, they are still the largest purchaser of fair trade coffee in North America. That&#8217;s significant and not to be overlooked. Yes, they should certainly be purchasing even more fair trade and doing even more to support coffee farmers. I&#8217;ll never disagree with that statement. But think about it: Due to the global popularity of *$, there are now many more coffee farmers than there were 20 years ago. Without *$, many of these farms would simply go out of business. Not only due to direct sales, but due to the effect that *$ has had on global coffee consumption in general. And while they have put a lot of small shops out of business, they&#8217;ve also allowed a lot of small shops to thrive by creating the current coffee consumption trend. According to their store locater, there are 15 *$ within 2 miles of me. That includes the ones that are located inside of Safeway and the Convention Center. There are at least 13 scs (locally owned) within the same 2 miles radius. I&#8217;m sure that there are even more located in various state buildings that I don&#8217;t even know about.</p>
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		<title>By: Siel</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/a-starbucked-world-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-1291</link>
		<dc:creator>Siel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2006 03:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me first clarify that the Jason above is an anonymous Jason, NOT the Jason from Cafe Evoke in Montana, NOR the Jason in LA that comments about fair trade options in downtown LA once in a while. 

Jason -- We all know about Cafe Estima, which Starbucks says is avaliable to anyone via request, but often is not. Thus, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://greenlagirl.com/2006/01/02/starbucks-sub-challenge-35/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Starbucks Challenge&lt;/a&gt;, which has been going on for months.

Secondly, Starbucks STILL buys a lot of its coffee -- 41% to be exact -- through middlemen with no transparency clauses. This means that, even if Starbucks pays what you call &quot;top dollar&quot; (which, btw, still averages out to LESS than the fair trade MINIMUM), there&#039;s no guarantee that this money actually goes to the farmers. &lt;a href=&quot;http://greenlagirl.com/2005/12/23/response-from-starbucks/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Starbucks has ALREADY ADMITTED to this&lt;/a&gt;.

Darling, If you&#039;re interested in fair trade, or in Starbucks in general, I suggest reading through some of the Starbucks Challenge posts. You&#039;ll discover that I&#039;ve duly done my homework, not just listened to the corporate spin like &quot;partners&quot; (*cough, you, cough*) have done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me first clarify that the Jason above is an anonymous Jason, NOT the Jason from Cafe Evoke in Montana, NOR the Jason in LA that comments about fair trade options in downtown LA once in a while. </p>
<p>Jason &#8212; We all know about Cafe Estima, which Starbucks says is avaliable to anyone via request, but often is not. Thus, the <a href="http://greenlagirl.com/2006/01/02/starbucks-sub-challenge-35/" rel="nofollow">Starbucks Challenge</a>, which has been going on for months.</p>
<p>Secondly, Starbucks STILL buys a lot of its coffee &#8212; 41% to be exact &#8212; through middlemen with no transparency clauses. This means that, even if Starbucks pays what you call &#8220;top dollar&#8221; (which, btw, still averages out to LESS than the fair trade MINIMUM), there&#8217;s no guarantee that this money actually goes to the farmers. <a href="http://greenlagirl.com/2005/12/23/response-from-starbucks/" rel="nofollow">Starbucks has ALREADY ADMITTED to this</a>.</p>
<p>Darling, If you&#8217;re interested in fair trade, or in Starbucks in general, I suggest reading through some of the Starbucks Challenge posts. You&#8217;ll discover that I&#8217;ve duly done my homework, not just listened to the corporate spin like &#8220;partners&#8221; (*cough, you, cough*) have done.</p>
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