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		<title>By: Siel</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/a-starbucked-world/comment-page-1/#comment-14021</link>
		<dc:creator>Siel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps we can amend that thought a bit? Consumers have a lot of power when we act collectively?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps we can amend that thought a bit? Consumers have a lot of power when we act collectively?</p>
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		<title>By: Garam Chai</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/a-starbucked-world/comment-page-1/#comment-1268</link>
		<dc:creator>Garam Chai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2006 05:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Itâ€™s true that consumers, us, have a lot of power.&lt;/i&gt;

At the risk of sounding powerless, I disagree with that. We, the consumers, are giving ourselves more credit than we deserve by believing we have power. In reality, though, we are individually absolutely powerless&#151;corporations are aware of that. We can claim we have power only if we are organized and are united in our opposition to &quot;evil-minded&quot; corporations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Itâ€™s true that consumers, us, have a lot of power.</i></p>
<p>At the risk of sounding powerless, I disagree with that. We, the consumers, are giving ourselves more credit than we deserve by believing we have power. In reality, though, we are individually absolutely powerless&#8212;corporations are aware of that. We can claim we have power only if we are organized and are united in our opposition to &#8220;evil-minded&#8221; corporations.</p>
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		<title>By: Siel</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/a-starbucked-world/comment-page-1/#comment-1261</link>
		<dc:creator>Siel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2006 19:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spent v. lil time at the computer this weekend b/c I had friends visiting -- But now I&#039;m thinking maybe I should make it a common practice to wait a few days before writing my own comments. Cuz these comments are super insightful and interesting -- albeit somewhat depressing...

It&#039;s hard not to feel overwhelmed and powerless sometimes --

One thing I&#039;m wondering is -- As most of you know, there are 51 Starbucks within 5 miles of my zipcode, according to the Starbucks&#039; own store locator.

Are there any actions we can take, either legally or via the local govt., to halt the opening of, say, a 52nd Starbucks?

And, before that -- How does one find out if/when a  new Starbucks plans to open?

A couple asides:

Ivan -- I put No Logo on my wishlist a few days ago :)Thanks for the quote! 

Declan -- But haven&#039;t people like bombed McDonald&#039;s and stuff? And I mean, really bombed -- not like the San Francisco Starbucks &quot;bomb&quot; that ended up being a flashlight with a couple corroded batteries... I mean, I don&#039;t think Starbucks is unique in the fact that it&#039;s become a target...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spent v. lil time at the computer this weekend b/c I had friends visiting &#8212; But now I&#8217;m thinking maybe I should make it a common practice to wait a few days before writing my own comments. Cuz these comments are super insightful and interesting &#8212; albeit somewhat depressing&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard not to feel overwhelmed and powerless sometimes &#8211;</p>
<p>One thing I&#8217;m wondering is &#8212; As most of you know, there are 51 Starbucks within 5 miles of my zipcode, according to the Starbucks&#8217; own store locator.</p>
<p>Are there any actions we can take, either legally or via the local govt., to halt the opening of, say, a 52nd Starbucks?</p>
<p>And, before that &#8212; How does one find out if/when a  new Starbucks plans to open?</p>
<p>A couple asides:</p>
<p>Ivan &#8212; I put No Logo on my wishlist a few days ago :)Thanks for the quote! </p>
<p>Declan &#8212; But haven&#8217;t people like bombed McDonald&#8217;s and stuff? And I mean, really bombed &#8212; not like the San Francisco Starbucks &#8220;bomb&#8221; that ended up being a flashlight with a couple corroded batteries&#8230; I mean, I don&#8217;t think Starbucks is unique in the fact that it&#8217;s become a target&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Roger, Gone Green</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/a-starbucked-world/comment-page-1/#comment-1259</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger, Gone Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SBX has the resources and effective strategies; less a product of evil mindedness, I think, in this case, as an inevitable outcome of the structure of American business. 

BUT: Just giving consumers what they want?  Puh-leeeze.  Every company that ever sold a poisonous, poorly built, dangerous, or otherwise bad product has trotted out that tired old line.  It is is the moral equivalent of &quot;I was just following orders.&quot;  


Consumers want safe, effective, clean, ethical products, but don&#039;t want to be gouged for it.  They are *often* willing to sacrifice all those good things for short term gratification however -- perceived status, chocolate cravings, etc.   They are *especially* willing to make the short cited choice when instigated to do so by marketing; and marketing, of course, is driven by the business case that does not value the secondary costs of unethical practices.  

The disconnect between what a consumer says they want and what they will do if given an incentive or no viable choice is huge. 

What if SBX decided to create a non-profit &quot;healthy competition&quot; bank, that would provide loans for independent operations in direct competition with them; what if they did not maximize profit (or booked good will, the FT rationale for the lawyers)by carpet bombing an area with outlets?  

What if shareholders could complain about a companies &quot;karma&quot; account, or state attorney&#039;s general could bring unfair competition claims against a company that used tactics designed to manipulate the market and squelch the competition?

Oh wait, they can!  A deliberate effort to saturate an area specifically to drive out all reasonable competition -- not just compete effectively -- may well be actionable under current law.  But I imagine there are more than a few better legal minds than mine working on that, if the facts and law line up that way. 

But the real problem, again, is that the American business structure actively discourages a truly ethical business model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SBX has the resources and effective strategies; less a product of evil mindedness, I think, in this case, as an inevitable outcome of the structure of American business. </p>
<p>BUT: Just giving consumers what they want?  Puh-leeeze.  Every company that ever sold a poisonous, poorly built, dangerous, or otherwise bad product has trotted out that tired old line.  It is is the moral equivalent of &#8220;I was just following orders.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Consumers want safe, effective, clean, ethical products, but don&#8217;t want to be gouged for it.  They are *often* willing to sacrifice all those good things for short term gratification however &#8212; perceived status, chocolate cravings, etc.   They are *especially* willing to make the short cited choice when instigated to do so by marketing; and marketing, of course, is driven by the business case that does not value the secondary costs of unethical practices.  </p>
<p>The disconnect between what a consumer says they want and what they will do if given an incentive or no viable choice is huge. </p>
<p>What if SBX decided to create a non-profit &#8220;healthy competition&#8221; bank, that would provide loans for independent operations in direct competition with them; what if they did not maximize profit (or booked good will, the FT rationale for the lawyers)by carpet bombing an area with outlets?  </p>
<p>What if shareholders could complain about a companies &#8220;karma&#8221; account, or state attorney&#8217;s general could bring unfair competition claims against a company that used tactics designed to manipulate the market and squelch the competition?</p>
<p>Oh wait, they can!  A deliberate effort to saturate an area specifically to drive out all reasonable competition &#8212; not just compete effectively &#8212; may well be actionable under current law.  But I imagine there are more than a few better legal minds than mine working on that, if the facts and law line up that way. </p>
<p>But the real problem, again, is that the American business structure actively discourages a truly ethical business model.</p>
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		<title>By: Maya</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/a-starbucked-world/comment-page-1/#comment-1258</link>
		<dc:creator>Maya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well...talking about local govt. and subsidies etc. it does make a different for example in France (due to many historical reasons etc.) it helps when there are a lot of anti-american sentiments here to stop big multi-national companies like Sbx McD etc. to spread out.  

Yes, Paris has one or two now Sbx due to the existance of demands, but in Antibes (a city between Cannes and Nice) there&#039;s no signs of Sbx, but there are of course other European multi-national companies/franchises though (not in Antibes but elsewhere).  

There&#039;s one McD on the way to Nice that has been in legal battle to stay open for years &#039;til now because many french don&#039;t like it there (but of course the city mayor who was the one that &#039;let&#039; them stay).  Politics...dirty games, and they&#039;re everywhere unfortunately from less developed countries to industrialized ones :-(  Tough battles and only small steps we all can do to make a big difference I hope.  It&#039;s true that consumers, us, have a lot of power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230;talking about local govt. and subsidies etc. it does make a different for example in France (due to many historical reasons etc.) it helps when there are a lot of anti-american sentiments here to stop big multi-national companies like Sbx McD etc. to spread out.  </p>
<p>Yes, Paris has one or two now Sbx due to the existance of demands, but in Antibes (a city between Cannes and Nice) there&#8217;s no signs of Sbx, but there are of course other European multi-national companies/franchises though (not in Antibes but elsewhere).  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s one McD on the way to Nice that has been in legal battle to stay open for years &#8217;til now because many french don&#8217;t like it there (but of course the city mayor who was the one that &#8216;let&#8217; them stay).  Politics&#8230;dirty games, and they&#8217;re everywhere unfortunately from less developed countries to industrialized ones :-(  Tough battles and only small steps we all can do to make a big difference I hope.  It&#8217;s true that consumers, us, have a lot of power.</p>
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