Comments on: Clicklist: Eco-fashion models, green carnivores, and other paradoxes http://greenlagirl.com/clicklist-eco-fashion-models-green-carnivores-and-other-paradoxes/ Urban environmental lifestyle blog in Los Angeles Thu, 09 Feb 2012 22:11:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Siel http://greenlagirl.com/clicklist-eco-fashion-models-green-carnivores-and-other-paradoxes/comment-page-1/#comment-460239 Siel Wed, 19 Aug 2009 06:13:19 +0000 http://greenlagirl.com/?p=10524#comment-460239 Marc -- I'm so flattered that you dropped by! I heart The Ethicurean. Thanks for the link to the Carnegie Mellon paper! Marc — I’m so flattered that you dropped by! I heart The Ethicurean. Thanks for the link to the Carnegie Mellon paper!

]]> By: Marc http://greenlagirl.com/clicklist-eco-fashion-models-green-carnivores-and-other-paradoxes/comment-page-1/#comment-459538 Marc Sat, 15 Aug 2009 16:09:46 +0000 http://greenlagirl.com/?p=10524#comment-459538 Erica -- another good reference on food and greenhouse gases (GHG) is a scientific paper by two people from Carnegie Mellon in Environmental Science and Technology (<a href="http://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/es702969f" rel="nofollow">full text</a>). In the article, they estimate the GHG emissions from the different segments of the average American households' diet. Figure 1a shows the transport-related GHG emissions, with red meat and grains having the highest transport emissions. However, cows emit GHGs during digestion and a lot of GHGs are emitted during feed production, so in the end, transportation emissions are fairly low. Figure 1c shows this. Note that the transport emissions are dwarfed by the production emissions (i.e., methane from digestion, nitrous oxide from fertilizer, CO2 from electricity and fuel use during production). For the chicken/fish/eggs category transport is still a small portion of the overall GHG emissions, but there are far fewer production-related emissions. It's quite an interesting work. Soon after it was published, I wrote a commentary about it at <a HREF="http://www.ethicurean.com/2008/06/23/food-miles-vs-food-choices/" rel="nofollow">The Ethicurean</a>. Erica — another good reference on food and greenhouse gases (GHG) is a scientific paper by two people from Carnegie Mellon in Environmental Science and Technology (full text). In the article, they estimate the GHG emissions from the different segments of the average American households’ diet. Figure 1a shows the transport-related GHG emissions, with red meat and grains having the highest transport emissions. However, cows emit GHGs during digestion and a lot of GHGs are emitted during feed production, so in the end, transportation emissions are fairly low. Figure 1c shows this. Note that the transport emissions are dwarfed by the production emissions (i.e., methane from digestion, nitrous oxide from fertilizer, CO2 from electricity and fuel use during production). For the chicken/fish/eggs category transport is still a small portion of the overall GHG emissions, but there are far fewer production-related emissions. It’s quite an interesting work. Soon after it was published, I wrote a commentary about it at The Ethicurean.

]]> By: Siel http://greenlagirl.com/clicklist-eco-fashion-models-green-carnivores-and-other-paradoxes/comment-page-1/#comment-458918 Siel Thu, 13 Aug 2009 07:42:27 +0000 http://greenlagirl.com/?p=10524#comment-458918 Erica -- Yes, it is true. <a href="http://news21.jomc.unc.edu/index.php/stories/diet.html" rel="nofollow">A handy graphic shows you just how fossil-fuel intensive the butchering process is</a>. M -- I am with you re: the deskilling. A lot of my frustration's not so much that I don't have the specific skills for things, but that no one else does either (i.e. I don't necessarily feel I should be able to fix my own electric kettle, but I'd like it if there was a local fix-it shop where I'd know to take such things if they break). <a href="http://greenlagirl.com/where-to-get-things-fixed-in-la/" rel="nofollow">L.A. mag's little list of fix it spots</a> did help me a bit -- Erica — Yes, it is true. A handy graphic shows you just how fossil-fuel intensive the butchering process is.

M — I am with you re: the deskilling. A lot of my frustration’s not so much that I don’t have the specific skills for things, but that no one else does either (i.e. I don’t necessarily feel I should be able to fix my own electric kettle, but I’d like it if there was a local fix-it shop where I’d know to take such things if they break). L.A. mag’s little list of fix it spots did help me a bit –

]]> By: M http://greenlagirl.com/clicklist-eco-fashion-models-green-carnivores-and-other-paradoxes/comment-page-1/#comment-458003 M Tue, 11 Aug 2009 02:24:26 +0000 http://greenlagirl.com/?p=10524#comment-458003 About the deskilling, this is honestly one of the things that drives me nuts about how things are done now. In general, I find doing things myself or someone I know to be infinitely more satisfying than spending money. I don't have to spend (or as much) money either as a side effect or else I can actually end up with what I wanted/needed, not what I could find in the store. Along the way, I probably learned something that is somewhat useful in the same or slightly different context (this isn't always the case with technology and fashion). I think it is also way more satisfying to my brain. After spending all day at work in front of the computer, I find myself trying to minimize my time in front of screens at home. I want to move my hands, I want to learn completely different things, I want room to explore and be creative. It makes me so much more excited about life! The thing that sucks is that I don't think there is as much money to be made, or not by the same people that make the money now, which makes it a difficult sell in some ways. About the deskilling, this is honestly one of the things that drives me nuts about how things are done now. In general, I find doing things myself or someone I know to be infinitely more satisfying than spending money. I don’t have to spend (or as much) money either as a side effect or else I can actually end up with what I wanted/needed, not what I could find in the store. Along the way, I probably learned something that is somewhat useful in the same or slightly different context (this isn’t always the case with technology and fashion). I think it is also way more satisfying to my brain. After spending all day at work in front of the computer, I find myself trying to minimize my time in front of screens at home. I want to move my hands, I want to learn completely different things, I want room to explore and be creative. It makes me so much more excited about life! The thing that sucks is that I don’t think there is as much money to be made, or not by the same people that make the money now, which makes it a difficult sell in some ways.

]]> By: Erica http://greenlagirl.com/clicklist-eco-fashion-models-green-carnivores-and-other-paradoxes/comment-page-1/#comment-457944 Erica Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:50:50 +0000 http://greenlagirl.com/?p=10524#comment-457944 I thought that animals had to travel very long distances to be butchered. Do you know if that is true? I read a bit of the article, but I was mostly skimming. I would think the transport issue would be a factor in the environmental footprint of eating meat. My family in Ohio balks at the cost of grass-fed beef, so I am still guiding them to eating lower cost vegetarian meals. None of it would matter for me since I don't eat meat, but I like to have facts in my mind for when I'm discussing this topic with others. I thought that animals had to travel very long distances to be butchered. Do you know if that is true? I read a bit of the article, but I was mostly skimming. I would think the transport issue would be a factor in the environmental footprint of eating meat.

My family in Ohio balks at the cost of grass-fed beef, so I am still guiding them to eating lower cost vegetarian meals.

None of it would matter for me since I don’t eat meat, but I like to have facts in my mind for when I’m discussing this topic with others.

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