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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/copyeditors-are-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-154435</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 04:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing is, though, that it is extremely likely that the L.A. Times has two audiences--one that reads in print and one that reads online. The demographics of these two audiences are probably very different. The people reading the blogs probably are a lot more &quot;young&quot; and &quot;hip&quot; than the print readers. I don&#039;t know exactly what the L.A. Times reader/user surveys show, but I&#039;d be surprised if they didn&#039;t have different profiles for the content delivery systems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing is, though, that it is extremely likely that the L.A. Times has two audiences&#8211;one that reads in print and one that reads online. The demographics of these two audiences are probably very different. The people reading the blogs probably are a lot more &#8220;young&#8221; and &#8220;hip&#8221; than the print readers. I don&#8217;t know exactly what the L.A. Times reader/user surveys show, but I&#8217;d be surprised if they didn&#8217;t have different profiles for the content delivery systems.</p>
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		<title>By: eric</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/copyeditors-are-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-154318</link>
		<dc:creator>eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, lots of discussion about big upping. 

My other thought is that &quot;big up&quot; is more often used as a noun, as in &quot;giving big ups to...&quot; Similar to giving a &quot;shout out&quot; or props (or even &quot;mad props&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, lots of discussion about big upping. </p>
<p>My other thought is that &#8220;big up&#8221; is more often used as a noun, as in &#8220;giving big ups to&#8230;&#8221; Similar to giving a &#8220;shout out&#8221; or props (or even &#8220;mad props&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: L S</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/copyeditors-are-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-154245</link>
		<dc:creator>L S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 06:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a 27-year-old male, I initially had no idea what &quot;big up&quot; meant and I would guess a lot of LA Times readers wouldn&#039;t either. I&#039;d also consider my friends fairly in tune to &quot;modern&quot; slang and not a single one uses the phrase &quot;big up&quot;. And I often listen to rap (where big up is actually used a lot), but the meaning is different from how you use it so it simply adds to the confusion. 

Anyway, I&#039;d suggest you consider the audience for your postings - LA Times readers who are unlikely to be young or &quot;hip&quot;. If they don&#039;t understand your posts, your potential positive suggestions will be unheeded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a 27-year-old male, I initially had no idea what &#8220;big up&#8221; meant and I would guess a lot of LA Times readers wouldn&#8217;t either. I&#8217;d also consider my friends fairly in tune to &#8220;modern&#8221; slang and not a single one uses the phrase &#8220;big up&#8221;. And I often listen to rap (where big up is actually used a lot), but the meaning is different from how you use it so it simply adds to the confusion. </p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;d suggest you consider the audience for your postings &#8211; LA Times readers who are unlikely to be young or &#8220;hip&#8221;. If they don&#8217;t understand your posts, your potential positive suggestions will be unheeded.</p>
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		<title>By: Raphael</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/copyeditors-are-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-154040</link>
		<dc:creator>Raphael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Siel, I didn&#039;t mean to imply that you were writing a myspace profile. I fully agree with your position about using a different voice in a blog versus a column. And I totally big up your big up. Sorry if I made any offense.

A blog should be understood by its intended audience--not necessarily everyone, of course, but by the people the author is trying to reach. I think the copy editor is struggling with the fact that the LAT usually writes for an extremely broad audience who won&#039;t be familiar with some of those phrases.

Although clarity is a very important concern for good writing, no less important is that it should be &lt;em&gt;fun&lt;/em&gt; to read! Which is exactly why I read your blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Siel, I didn&#8217;t mean to imply that you were writing a myspace profile. I fully agree with your position about using a different voice in a blog versus a column. And I totally big up your big up. Sorry if I made any offense.</p>
<p>A blog should be understood by its intended audience&#8211;not necessarily everyone, of course, but by the people the author is trying to reach. I think the copy editor is struggling with the fact that the LAT usually writes for an extremely broad audience who won&#8217;t be familiar with some of those phrases.</p>
<p>Although clarity is a very important concern for good writing, no less important is that it should be <em>fun</em> to read! Which is exactly why I read your blog.</p>
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		<title>By: meg</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/copyeditors-are-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-154011</link>
		<dc:creator>meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to speak up for &quot;big up.&quot;  It&#039;s a phrase I would never use, which is precisely why I love reading it in your blog, along with various other colloquialisms, only some of which I&#039;ve encountered before.  Voice isn&#039;t wholly comprised of diction, but vocabulary choice is one of the most obvious ways in which a blog differs from an online column.  Kudos to the LAT for the &quot;typos and libel&quot; policy, even if it&#039;s observed more in the breach than the practice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to speak up for &#8220;big up.&#8221;  It&#8217;s a phrase I would never use, which is precisely why I love reading it in your blog, along with various other colloquialisms, only some of which I&#8217;ve encountered before.  Voice isn&#8217;t wholly comprised of diction, but vocabulary choice is one of the most obvious ways in which a blog differs from an online column.  Kudos to the LAT for the &#8220;typos and libel&#8221; policy, even if it&#8217;s observed more in the breach than the practice.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/copyeditors-are-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-154006</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After I posted, I thought of other examples, such as &quot;make noise about.&quot; Really, there are lots of options, and this sounds like a copyeditor who shouldn&#039;t be cold-reading blogs.

The thing is, just about all writing should have a voice--even news writing. News coverage is supposed to be balanced, not boring. Frankly, even good technical editors have a voice. That&#039;s why the Dummies books are so successful and distinct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After I posted, I thought of other examples, such as &#8220;make noise about.&#8221; Really, there are lots of options, and this sounds like a copyeditor who shouldn&#8217;t be cold-reading blogs.</p>
<p>The thing is, just about all writing should have a voice&#8211;even news writing. News coverage is supposed to be balanced, not boring. Frankly, even good technical editors have a voice. That&#8217;s why the Dummies books are so successful and distinct.</p>
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		<title>By: Siel</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/copyeditors-are-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-153810</link>
		<dc:creator>Siel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raphael -- So the new media blog you (don&#039;t even) write&#039;s held to this more superior and &quot;different&quot; plus &quot;good&quot; standard? Would love to hear why the “typos and libel” only rule isn&#039;t a good enough standard for you.

Clarity&#039;s ONE concern. But no one actually enjoys reading a direction manual, even if it&#039;s very clear. And I&#039;m not writing a fucking myspace profile.

Kate -- Talk up, I agree, would&#039;ve been a more appropriate suggestion --</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raphael &#8212; So the new media blog you (don&#8217;t even) write&#8217;s held to this more superior and &#8220;different&#8221; plus &#8220;good&#8221; standard? Would love to hear why the “typos and libel” only rule isn&#8217;t a good enough standard for you.</p>
<p>Clarity&#8217;s ONE concern. But no one actually enjoys reading a direction manual, even if it&#8217;s very clear. And I&#8217;m not writing a fucking myspace profile.</p>
<p>Kate &#8212; Talk up, I agree, would&#8217;ve been a more appropriate suggestion &#8211;</p>
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		<title>By: Raphael</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/copyeditors-are-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-153744</link>
		<dc:creator>Raphael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 03:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I don&#039;t think it was unclear in this case, Siel, and I think you were right to stand by your word choice. But I think that a blanket &quot;typos and libel&quot; only rule isn&#039;t really a very good standard to use, and I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a case of the MSM failing to adapt to new media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I don&#8217;t think it was unclear in this case, Siel, and I think you were right to stand by your word choice. But I think that a blanket &#8220;typos and libel&#8221; only rule isn&#8217;t really a very good standard to use, and I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a case of the MSM failing to adapt to new media.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/copyeditors-are-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-153653</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 01:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m surprised the copyeditor didn&#039;t recommend something like &quot;talk up,&quot; which would have been closer in tone and kept the meaning--and would have been a bit more mainstream, if he or she found it obscure.

Meanwhile, I&#039;ve never heard &quot;big up,&quot; but knew exactly what you meant by it. Maybe the L.A. Times would be more highly regarded if they started with the assumption that their readers can read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised the copyeditor didn&#8217;t recommend something like &#8220;talk up,&#8221; which would have been closer in tone and kept the meaning&#8211;and would have been a bit more mainstream, if he or she found it obscure.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, I&#8217;ve never heard &#8220;big up,&#8221; but knew exactly what you meant by it. Maybe the L.A. Times would be more highly regarded if they started with the assumption that their readers can read.</p>
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		<title>By: Siel</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/copyeditors-are-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-153627</link>
		<dc:creator>Siel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you feel the sentence is unclear?

I just don&#039;t think I need to sound like a copyeditor to get my point across.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you feel the sentence is unclear?</p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t think I need to sound like a copyeditor to get my point across.</p>
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