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		<title>By: Cass</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/free%e2%84%a2/comment-page-1/#comment-269193</link>
		<dc:creator>Cass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 05:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, coming in way late to the party, but...

From a marketing perspective, yes, it is ridiculous.  Yes, in writing letters like the one you posted or making demands such as Freecycle&#8482; did, we (marketing &amp; communications people) feel like assholes.  Yes, it is absolutely necessary. 

In part Freecycle is being extra-careful because they are still in the trademark phase and their lawyers told them to be extra-cautious (note the &#8482; instead of &#174;).  In other words, their trademark is still subject for review.  You have to jump through ten million hoops to move to that big R in the little circle...and even then you have some defending to do.  Simply sending you the letter is the due diligence they need to do to protect their trademark.  But that&#039;s not why I&#039;m writing.  For an example of how trademark can affect a non-profit/for-profit battle, look up the WWF (pop quiz: does WWF make you think wrestlers? or pandas?) While it&#039;s an oddity, it does happen (and thus why there is WWE instead of WWF).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, coming in way late to the party, but&#8230;</p>
<p>From a marketing perspective, yes, it is ridiculous.  Yes, in writing letters like the one you posted or making demands such as Freecycle&trade; did, we (marketing &amp; communications people) feel like assholes.  Yes, it is absolutely necessary. </p>
<p>In part Freecycle is being extra-careful because they are still in the trademark phase and their lawyers told them to be extra-cautious (note the &trade; instead of &reg;).  In other words, their trademark is still subject for review.  You have to jump through ten million hoops to move to that big R in the little circle&#8230;and even then you have some defending to do.  Simply sending you the letter is the due diligence they need to do to protect their trademark.  But that&#8217;s not why I&#8217;m writing.  For an example of how trademark can affect a non-profit/for-profit battle, look up the WWF (pop quiz: does WWF make you think wrestlers? or pandas?) While it&#8217;s an oddity, it does happen (and thus why there is WWE instead of WWF).</p>
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		<title>By: elsa</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/free%e2%84%a2/comment-page-1/#comment-52651</link>
		<dc:creator>elsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I&#039;ll avoid all this TM tyranny by just Craigslisting my stuff instead of worrying about whether I can be a freewheeling, freecycling freecycler or not. Why do people insist on clunky, multisyllabic terms these days, such as â€œposting and [sic] item to the local Freecycle group?â€ 13 syllables instead of a nice 3 syllables tripping off your tongue! They should be glad you&#039;re writing about them in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;ll avoid all this TM tyranny by just Craigslisting my stuff instead of worrying about whether I can be a freewheeling, freecycling freecycler or not. Why do people insist on clunky, multisyllabic terms these days, such as â€œposting and [sic] item to the local Freecycle group?â€ 13 syllables instead of a nice 3 syllables tripping off your tongue! They should be glad you&#8217;re writing about them in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger, Gone Green</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/free%e2%84%a2/comment-page-1/#comment-44077</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger, Gone Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jan 2007 23:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that it is a non-profit is legally irrelevent; for profit, non-profit, individual: Trademark rules are all the same.  

Here, the non-profit&#039;s mark could be used by a for-profit, and at least two have attempted to co-opt &quot;freecycle&quot; already.  The letter you recieved is part of the typical effort to stop it.  This is not theoretical, but has already *nearly* happened to Freecycle as a mark.  Close enough example?  

Meanwhile, the most famous mark is  &quot;Thermos&quot; as mentioned.  But also &quot;monopoly&quot; was found generic; Xerox and Kleenex and Levi&#039;s have suffered close calls over the years and send identical letters often.  

I didn&#039;t just used to practice law, I practiced trade mark law. And for a casual blog, that&#039;s the best you&#039;ll get out of me: If you think the Freecycle letter was offbase, perhaps you should find out if it is legally incorrect &lt;b&gt;before&lt;/b&gt; griping about it . . . I believe the burden of proof on this one is on the complaining blog . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that it is a non-profit is legally irrelevent; for profit, non-profit, individual: Trademark rules are all the same.  </p>
<p>Here, the non-profit&#8217;s mark could be used by a for-profit, and at least two have attempted to co-opt &#8220;freecycle&#8221; already.  The letter you recieved is part of the typical effort to stop it.  This is not theoretical, but has already *nearly* happened to Freecycle as a mark.  Close enough example?  </p>
<p>Meanwhile, the most famous mark is  &#8220;Thermos&#8221; as mentioned.  But also &#8220;monopoly&#8221; was found generic; Xerox and Kleenex and Levi&#8217;s have suffered close calls over the years and send identical letters often.  </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t just used to practice law, I practiced trade mark law. And for a casual blog, that&#8217;s the best you&#8217;ll get out of me: If you think the Freecycle letter was offbase, perhaps you should find out if it is legally incorrect <b>before</b> griping about it . . . I believe the burden of proof on this one is on the complaining blog . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Siel</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/free%e2%84%a2/comment-page-1/#comment-43894</link>
		<dc:creator>Siel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 23:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still waiting for an example of a nonprofit whose TM was wrested away by an evil corporation.

I&#039;m not saying you&#039;re wrong -- I&#039;m just saying that &quot;I used to practice law&quot; doesn&#039;t, to me, count as convincing proof for your argument. I&#039;d like actual, concrete examples. Precedence, I believe you law people call it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still waiting for an example of a nonprofit whose TM was wrested away by an evil corporation.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying you&#8217;re wrong &#8212; I&#8217;m just saying that &#8220;I used to practice law&#8221; doesn&#8217;t, to me, count as convincing proof for your argument. I&#8217;d like actual, concrete examples. Precedence, I believe you law people call it.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger, Gone Green</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/free%e2%84%a2/comment-page-1/#comment-43881</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger, Gone Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point is, if they do it your way, a for -profit can come in and do what you don&#039;t want: Take it over and use it for evil. 

The law is such that the ONLY way to protect the grassroots use is to lodge ownership in a non-profit before a for profit takes it.  Period.  That&#039;s the law, sad to say -- and an area I practiced in for 15 years before moving on to other things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point is, if they do it your way, a for -profit can come in and do what you don&#8217;t want: Take it over and use it for evil. </p>
<p>The law is such that the ONLY way to protect the grassroots use is to lodge ownership in a non-profit before a for profit takes it.  Period.  That&#8217;s the law, sad to say &#8212; and an area I practiced in for 15 years before moving on to other things.</p>
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