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		<title>By: RemyC</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/global-green-usas-climate-summit/comment-page-1/#comment-2410</link>
		<dc:creator>RemyC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Apr 2006 06:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This may have nothing to do with anything here, but a couple of things come to mind... first the illustration of the parody of the Starbucks logo... Didn&#039;t the Comic Book Defense League have to bail the artist out of jail a few years ago for trademark infringement? Bottom line is Starbucks is a fad, people will sooner or later get bored of it... they have to... and then all these coffeeshops will all become independent, and play cool music, and let you hang flyers on the wall... I confess I was in love with their chocolate caramel covered brownies one year... till I was unlucky enough to be there the day they delivered the box they came in and got to read the ingredients... the worse of the worse artificial crap, a virtual chemistry set of artificial colors, preservatives, sweeteners, I never picked up another one again... haven&#039;t really been to a Starbucks since, other than to meet someone who didn&#039;t have the imagination to meet somewhere else. Starbucks is boring, that&#039;s the bottom line... it&#039;s just dull... the people who go there are dull, even the students at Yale who sit there all day because there&#039;s a wifi connection for their laptop are dull... The fish are dying in Seattle Bay because people wiz caffeine all day. That can&#039;t be good. Do you realize everything you see on a shelf in a pharmacy ultimately gets into the water supply, the ground water, the rivers, the sea... gets to a point where there&#039;s no more diluting... it festers... like McDonough says, there is no away in away... I think to give companies like Starbucks who use massive mind control techniques to acquire and maintain market share, is just silly and scary... why empower these businesses... why does every City in America have to look the same... have the same stores, it&#039;s Planet Disney... is this what God intended? Is this why they threw beer cans at Joni Mitchell at the second Woodstock... We asked God to do something about all this asphalt and parking lots, so God made people who love asphalt and parking lots? No wonder Abbie Hoffman decided to check out... The only place to see beauty anymore is in the heart of people who wish things were different... it&#039;s all longing for a green planet... we may never have a chance to restore the mess we made of this place... but we can die trying, and that&#039;s what I intend to do. So no matter how much schmoozing Global Green USA can do, Starbucks is Starbucks... and it s.... sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may have nothing to do with anything here, but a couple of things come to mind&#8230; first the illustration of the parody of the Starbucks logo&#8230; Didn&#8217;t the Comic Book Defense League have to bail the artist out of jail a few years ago for trademark infringement? Bottom line is Starbucks is a fad, people will sooner or later get bored of it&#8230; they have to&#8230; and then all these coffeeshops will all become independent, and play cool music, and let you hang flyers on the wall&#8230; I confess I was in love with their chocolate caramel covered brownies one year&#8230; till I was unlucky enough to be there the day they delivered the box they came in and got to read the ingredients&#8230; the worse of the worse artificial crap, a virtual chemistry set of artificial colors, preservatives, sweeteners, I never picked up another one again&#8230; haven&#8217;t really been to a Starbucks since, other than to meet someone who didn&#8217;t have the imagination to meet somewhere else. Starbucks is boring, that&#8217;s the bottom line&#8230; it&#8217;s just dull&#8230; the people who go there are dull, even the students at Yale who sit there all day because there&#8217;s a wifi connection for their laptop are dull&#8230; The fish are dying in Seattle Bay because people wiz caffeine all day. That can&#8217;t be good. Do you realize everything you see on a shelf in a pharmacy ultimately gets into the water supply, the ground water, the rivers, the sea&#8230; gets to a point where there&#8217;s no more diluting&#8230; it festers&#8230; like McDonough says, there is no away in away&#8230; I think to give companies like Starbucks who use massive mind control techniques to acquire and maintain market share, is just silly and scary&#8230; why empower these businesses&#8230; why does every City in America have to look the same&#8230; have the same stores, it&#8217;s Planet Disney&#8230; is this what God intended? Is this why they threw beer cans at Joni Mitchell at the second Woodstock&#8230; We asked God to do something about all this asphalt and parking lots, so God made people who love asphalt and parking lots? No wonder Abbie Hoffman decided to check out&#8230; The only place to see beauty anymore is in the heart of people who wish things were different&#8230; it&#8217;s all longing for a green planet&#8230; we may never have a chance to restore the mess we made of this place&#8230; but we can die trying, and that&#8217;s what I intend to do. So no matter how much schmoozing Global Green USA can do, Starbucks is Starbucks&#8230; and it s&#8230;. sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Fletch</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/global-green-usas-climate-summit/comment-page-1/#comment-2338</link>
		<dc:creator>Fletch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 05:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, hmm, I&#039;m white. I&#039;m male. I suppose &quot;highly-educated&quot; means &quot;college-educated,&quot; so, check. I definitely have a wonkish streak (I gave up long ago discussions with friends about municipal socialism). And, my career seems to be drifting me toward the position of policy analyst, the most wonkish occupation of all. Darn.

Off topic, enjoy your visit to Phoenix! I last was there seven long years ago and, from what I&#039;ve heard, the place is unrecognizable - more sprawl, more smog. Take lots of pics!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, hmm, I&#8217;m white. I&#8217;m male. I suppose &#8220;highly-educated&#8221; means &#8220;college-educated,&#8221; so, check. I definitely have a wonkish streak (I gave up long ago discussions with friends about municipal socialism). And, my career seems to be drifting me toward the position of policy analyst, the most wonkish occupation of all. Darn.</p>
<p>Off topic, enjoy your visit to Phoenix! I last was there seven long years ago and, from what I&#8217;ve heard, the place is unrecognizable &#8211; more sprawl, more smog. Take lots of pics!</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/global-green-usas-climate-summit/comment-page-1/#comment-2334</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole thing stinks. Sorry if I&#039;m not my usual self (well you all don&#039;t really know me well, but i am, usually), i woke up at 4sm for some unknown reason.

No matter how they try to finesse it, it is greenwashing. Whatever happened to the old-fashioned idea of giving money because you believe in the cause and to do goodworks, instead of expecting good pr and seats on fancy Beverly Hills panels. 

Let Starbucks make coffee and let more of the real experts, the grassroots experts doing the real work in their communities, on these panels.

And, the Green Party don&#039;t take no stinkin corporate donations. We are corporate free, and therefore unbeholden, JOIN US!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole thing stinks. Sorry if I&#8217;m not my usual self (well you all don&#8217;t really know me well, but i am, usually), i woke up at 4sm for some unknown reason.</p>
<p>No matter how they try to finesse it, it is greenwashing. Whatever happened to the old-fashioned idea of giving money because you believe in the cause and to do goodworks, instead of expecting good pr and seats on fancy Beverly Hills panels. </p>
<p>Let Starbucks make coffee and let more of the real experts, the grassroots experts doing the real work in their communities, on these panels.</p>
<p>And, the Green Party don&#8217;t take no stinkin corporate donations. We are corporate free, and therefore unbeholden, JOIN US!</p>
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		<title>By: Siel</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/global-green-usas-climate-summit/comment-page-1/#comment-2330</link>
		<dc:creator>Siel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 00:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes! I was indeed there for Sheila&#039;s speech. In fact, I was the one who wrote the question (for those not there: audience Qs for the panelists were written on index cards, to be read by the moderator) trying to connect the two, which went something like this (a paraphrase -- I don&#039;t have a copy of the card):

&quot;Sheila&#039;s speech made it clear that environmental activism goes hand in hand with the desire to preserve our individual cultures. Environmental consciousness seems intrinsically linked to cultural diversity. With that in mind, how does Starbucks and Turner respond to those who say that large companies&#039; expansions are leading to a &quot;mono-culture&quot; world?&quot;

I was psyched when the Q was read -- though less psyched when Ben tactfully ignored the Q...

Anyway -- I did enjoy Sheila&#039;s talk -- and I did mention Sheila &lt;a href=&quot;http://greenlagirl.com/2006/03/31/climate-solutions-starbucks-style/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in my first post&lt;/a&gt; about the event. But this post is by no means a blow-by-blow summary of everything that took place in the summit. I&#039;m writing about the panel here, and even then, I pretty much only talk about what Ben said, when obviously, the other panelists didn&#039;t just sit there in silence.

I hope it&#039;s clear here that I&#039;m focusing on the parts of the summit that I said I was going to focus on. In &lt;a href=&quot;http://greenlagirl.com/2006/03/31/climate-solutions-starbucks-style/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my first post&lt;/a&gt; about this event, I wondered out loud (or in type, I guess) how Starbucks got on the panel. Starbucks&#039; sponsorship wasn&#039;t mentioned in the email I received about the event (which also didn&#039;t mention Turner&#039;s presence, making Starbucks&#039; inclusion even more curious), nor on the website -- which is why I wondered about it. At the event itself, it was indeed -- as you say -- clear that Starbucks had sponsored Global Green&#039;s efforts and the Summit itself. But unless one actually attended the event, it was difficult to figure that out.

Matt -- I do like, by and large, what Global Green&#039;s doing. I mean, with the low-income communities and the environment comment, I simply said I would&#039;ve liked to have heard more about it IN THE PANEL, because the panel was introduced as being about that topic. This is by no means an indictment of Global Green&#039;s work as a whole! I&#039;m sure Global Green does great things in low-income communities -- I&#039;m saying I would&#039;ve liked to have heard more about this important issue in the panel itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes! I was indeed there for Sheila&#8217;s speech. In fact, I was the one who wrote the question (for those not there: audience Qs for the panelists were written on index cards, to be read by the moderator) trying to connect the two, which went something like this (a paraphrase &#8212; I don&#8217;t have a copy of the card):</p>
<p>&#8220;Sheila&#8217;s speech made it clear that environmental activism goes hand in hand with the desire to preserve our individual cultures. Environmental consciousness seems intrinsically linked to cultural diversity. With that in mind, how does Starbucks and Turner respond to those who say that large companies&#8217; expansions are leading to a &#8220;mono-culture&#8221; world?&#8221;</p>
<p>I was psyched when the Q was read &#8212; though less psyched when Ben tactfully ignored the Q&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyway &#8212; I did enjoy Sheila&#8217;s talk &#8212; and I did mention Sheila <a href="http://greenlagirl.com/2006/03/31/climate-solutions-starbucks-style/" rel="nofollow">in my first post</a> about the event. But this post is by no means a blow-by-blow summary of everything that took place in the summit. I&#8217;m writing about the panel here, and even then, I pretty much only talk about what Ben said, when obviously, the other panelists didn&#8217;t just sit there in silence.</p>
<p>I hope it&#8217;s clear here that I&#8217;m focusing on the parts of the summit that I said I was going to focus on. In <a href="http://greenlagirl.com/2006/03/31/climate-solutions-starbucks-style/" rel="nofollow">my first post</a> about this event, I wondered out loud (or in type, I guess) how Starbucks got on the panel. Starbucks&#8217; sponsorship wasn&#8217;t mentioned in the email I received about the event (which also didn&#8217;t mention Turner&#8217;s presence, making Starbucks&#8217; inclusion even more curious), nor on the website &#8212; which is why I wondered about it. At the event itself, it was indeed &#8212; as you say &#8212; clear that Starbucks had sponsored Global Green&#8217;s efforts and the Summit itself. But unless one actually attended the event, it was difficult to figure that out.</p>
<p>Matt &#8212; I do like, by and large, what Global Green&#8217;s doing. I mean, with the low-income communities and the environment comment, I simply said I would&#8217;ve liked to have heard more about it IN THE PANEL, because the panel was introduced as being about that topic. This is by no means an indictment of Global Green&#8217;s work as a whole! I&#8217;m sure Global Green does great things in low-income communities &#8212; I&#8217;m saying I would&#8217;ve liked to have heard more about this important issue in the panel itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/global-green-usas-climate-summit/comment-page-1/#comment-2326</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 19:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for coming and giving a report out on our event. 

While we mentioned it briefly at the event, just before the symposium, we hosted a roundtable brainstorming discussion with a wide range of organizations from community, environmental, housing, public school, government agency, and corporate perspectives discussing how wee empower affordable housing groups, schools, and other low-income community constituencies to be part of solving global warming, and benefit from lower energy bills, etc. If you take a look at our website you&#039;ll see a report we did on this topic, can can also learn more about the work we&#039;re doing on affordable housing and schools in low-income neighborhoods. 

As to the comments on why certain people were on the panel, I made it clear and was very transparent, as was were our materials, that Starbucks is a supporter of our work. Tom Leppert was an honoree at our dinner that evening, and was a sponsor as such. But both Starbucks and Turner are also leaders in the corporate world with renewabe energy, green building, and related solutions to global warming. At our dinner, we also honored Fran Pavley, and other leaders in different fields.

While your point the topic of low-income communities was not discussed enough by the panel (whether the impact upon them, which is siginficant, or the solutions) was well taken, you failed to mention Sheila Watt Cloutier&#039;s speech. Did you miss it? She comes from a very low-income, indigenous community whose culture, way of life, and people are being devastated by climate change. I think you missed a big part of the presentation by not mentioning her speech or presence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for coming and giving a report out on our event. </p>
<p>While we mentioned it briefly at the event, just before the symposium, we hosted a roundtable brainstorming discussion with a wide range of organizations from community, environmental, housing, public school, government agency, and corporate perspectives discussing how wee empower affordable housing groups, schools, and other low-income community constituencies to be part of solving global warming, and benefit from lower energy bills, etc. If you take a look at our website you&#8217;ll see a report we did on this topic, can can also learn more about the work we&#8217;re doing on affordable housing and schools in low-income neighborhoods. </p>
<p>As to the comments on why certain people were on the panel, I made it clear and was very transparent, as was were our materials, that Starbucks is a supporter of our work. Tom Leppert was an honoree at our dinner that evening, and was a sponsor as such. But both Starbucks and Turner are also leaders in the corporate world with renewabe energy, green building, and related solutions to global warming. At our dinner, we also honored Fran Pavley, and other leaders in different fields.</p>
<p>While your point the topic of low-income communities was not discussed enough by the panel (whether the impact upon them, which is siginficant, or the solutions) was well taken, you failed to mention Sheila Watt Cloutier&#8217;s speech. Did you miss it? She comes from a very low-income, indigenous community whose culture, way of life, and people are being devastated by climate change. I think you missed a big part of the presentation by not mentioning her speech or presence.</p>
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