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		<title>By: Top Banana</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/going-bananas-chiquita-supplies-guns-to-save-environment/comment-page-1/#comment-74211</link>
		<dc:creator>Top Banana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 21:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OkÃ© USA is buying all of its bananas currently from El Guabo, an association of over 300 small and medium organic fair trade banana growers. Some of these growers do sell bananas to some of the large buyers. The difference OkÃ© offers is evident in several ways. 

First, our majority owner, AgroFair is 1/2 owned by the growers, including El Guabo. This means that in addition to getting fair trade pricing, they have a say in how we operate and a dividend from AgroFair profits. 

Second, the AgroFair family has a nonprofit sister organization, AFAD, that has supported the development of El Guabo and other grower organizations.

Finally, OkÃ© USA never pays paramilitary militias or other armed forces. And, we never ship weapons, only fair trade organic bananas!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OkÃ© USA is buying all of its bananas currently from El Guabo, an association of over 300 small and medium organic fair trade banana growers. Some of these growers do sell bananas to some of the large buyers. The difference OkÃ© offers is evident in several ways. </p>
<p>First, our majority owner, AgroFair is 1/2 owned by the growers, including El Guabo. This means that in addition to getting fair trade pricing, they have a say in how we operate and a dividend from AgroFair profits. </p>
<p>Second, the AgroFair family has a nonprofit sister organization, AFAD, that has supported the development of El Guabo and other grower organizations.</p>
<p>Finally, OkÃ© USA never pays paramilitary militias or other armed forces. And, we never ship weapons, only fair trade organic bananas!</p>
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		<title>By: Siel</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/going-bananas-chiquita-supplies-guns-to-save-environment/comment-page-1/#comment-73802</link>
		<dc:creator>Siel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 16:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Manolo to Manuel -- If you&#039;re going to spam comment on a blog pretending to be 5 different people, it helps to actually use different IP addresses that&#039;re located in the countries each of your impersonations say they&#039;re from. If all the comments come from one computer, it simply makes you look like the idiot you are. Clearly, you&#039;re passionate about debunking fair trade -- but can&#039;t actually prove your point without resorting to lies and comment spamming.

Needless to say, your IP address, 196.40.21.60, is now going to be restricted from commenting here. Thanks for the laughs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manolo to Manuel &#8212; If you&#8217;re going to spam comment on a blog pretending to be 5 different people, it helps to actually use different IP addresses that&#8217;re located in the countries each of your impersonations say they&#8217;re from. If all the comments come from one computer, it simply makes you look like the idiot you are. Clearly, you&#8217;re passionate about debunking fair trade &#8212; but can&#8217;t actually prove your point without resorting to lies and comment spamming.</p>
<p>Needless to say, your IP address, 196.40.21.60, is now going to be restricted from commenting here. Thanks for the laughs.</p>
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		<title>By: Manuel Atoche</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/going-bananas-chiquita-supplies-guns-to-save-environment/comment-page-1/#comment-73708</link>
		<dc:creator>Manuel Atoche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 04:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I donÂ´t know much about the reality outside my country, Peru, but I am a organic banana grower from the North side of Peru, in Sullana.
I have 5 years of selling my fruit to Dole and have been always very good with me, my family and the community I live on, Saman.

They helped us to become Fairtrade certified, they trained us to obtain our own organic certification, and now they are teching us to process and pack our own bananas.  They had done a lot for Sullana and Saman.  This city was dead before Dole came, now the quality of life for me, my family and my community had improved a lot.

Please do not talk bad things about a company if you do not know what they do for people like me in Peru.

Manuel Atoche
Saman - Sullana
Peru.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I donÂ´t know much about the reality outside my country, Peru, but I am a organic banana grower from the North side of Peru, in Sullana.<br />
I have 5 years of selling my fruit to Dole and have been always very good with me, my family and the community I live on, Saman.</p>
<p>They helped us to become Fairtrade certified, they trained us to obtain our own organic certification, and now they are teching us to process and pack our own bananas.  They had done a lot for Sullana and Saman.  This city was dead before Dole came, now the quality of life for me, my family and my community had improved a lot.</p>
<p>Please do not talk bad things about a company if you do not know what they do for people like me in Peru.</p>
<p>Manuel Atoche<br />
Saman &#8211; Sullana<br />
Peru.</p>
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		<title>By: Juan SantamarÃ­a</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juan SantamarÃ­a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 04:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Julio Jaramillo!
FLO certified our farm in Costa Rica a year ago.  In 2004 we fired an employee because he was unefficient and reluctant to use his personal protection equipment, we paid him according to the law.  He tried to obtain more money from us saying that if we donÂ´t pay him he will go to the Court.  We didnÂ´t pay and we have to go to the Court and explain the whole thing.  We will win tha case because we did it according to the law.
A labour court trial in Costa Rica can last years.

FLO was noticed by a local Union (Unions in Latin America are USELESS, believe me, USELESS, they are like parasits of our society), about this situation and FLO decertified us.  Even when it havenÂ´t been detemined if we are guilty or not by the autorities in Costa Rica, FLO decided by themselves that we are guilty.

Who they think they are?  God???, please, somebody have to unveil the reality to consumers, Fairtrade is not FAIR anymore, it is a Private Club, as stated before by Jaramillo, with political and economical interests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Julio Jaramillo!<br />
FLO certified our farm in Costa Rica a year ago.  In 2004 we fired an employee because he was unefficient and reluctant to use his personal protection equipment, we paid him according to the law.  He tried to obtain more money from us saying that if we donÂ´t pay him he will go to the Court.  We didnÂ´t pay and we have to go to the Court and explain the whole thing.  We will win tha case because we did it according to the law.<br />
A labour court trial in Costa Rica can last years.</p>
<p>FLO was noticed by a local Union (Unions in Latin America are USELESS, believe me, USELESS, they are like parasits of our society), about this situation and FLO decertified us.  Even when it havenÂ´t been detemined if we are guilty or not by the autorities in Costa Rica, FLO decided by themselves that we are guilty.</p>
<p>Who they think they are?  God???, please, somebody have to unveil the reality to consumers, Fairtrade is not FAIR anymore, it is a Private Club, as stated before by Jaramillo, with political and economical interests.</p>
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		<title>By: Julio Jaramillo</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/going-bananas-chiquita-supplies-guns-to-save-environment/comment-page-1/#comment-73704</link>
		<dc:creator>Julio Jaramillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 04:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FLO is like a PRIVATE CLUB, if you like them, they will certify you. It doesnÂ´t really matter if you are complying 100% with their standards, it is just about politics.

I applied for Fairtrade certification of my organic banana farm in Colombia and they just said no.  They never gave me a good reason.  But they certified other farms in Colombia related with a powerful family group in this country.

FLO is a big joke, they are fake.  It could be a very nice initiative but they decided to go politic and they spoiled it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FLO is like a PRIVATE CLUB, if you like them, they will certify you. It doesnÂ´t really matter if you are complying 100% with their standards, it is just about politics.</p>
<p>I applied for Fairtrade certification of my organic banana farm in Colombia and they just said no.  They never gave me a good reason.  But they certified other farms in Colombia related with a powerful family group in this country.</p>
<p>FLO is a big joke, they are fake.  It could be a very nice initiative but they decided to go politic and they spoiled it.</p>
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		<title>By: JosÃ© Ricardo Encalada</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/going-bananas-chiquita-supplies-guns-to-save-environment/comment-page-1/#comment-73703</link>
		<dc:creator>JosÃ© Ricardo Encalada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 04:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, 
I am a medium banana farmer from El Oro in Ecuador.  I read the comment from Mr. BuendÃ­a and I need to agree with him.

FLO (Fairtrade Labeling Organization) from Germnay is a big fraud.  
Did you know that a grower organization have to pay 2500 Euros to apply for certification? and there is not guaranty to get certified.  If the organization do not pay, FLO will not inspect them, and still they can be not certified and FLO will keep the 2500 Euros.
Then, the growers sell the fruit to an Fairtrade certified exporter, who also will pay FLO no less than 2500 Euros.
The exporter ship the fruit to Europe or USA and to an certified importer who also paid no less than 2500 Euros for its certification plus a &quot;tax&quot; on their sales.
Then, the importers distribute the fairtrade fruit among certified retailers who also pais for its certification and the &quot;tax&quot; for the sales.

When the fruit is already at the retail store, the consumer, it means YOU, pay an extra price for the fairtrade banana...

It is supose that the whole extra price or premium will go to the certified growers in the developing countries but... have you heard about any project financed by Fairtrade?, did you find any information about the use of the premium you paid for the fairtrade product?

In the real world, a big percentage of the premium goes straight to Bonn in Germany to finance FLO and all its White Elephant(burocracy).

I at least prefer the iniciatives from the big companies like Dole because they have to be accountable and at least they are showing us faces and histories, and they are not saying that they are non profit, of course they are for profit, but they are letting us access information that nobody is sharing with us.

I also ask you and all nice persons from US to find the truth about FLO, they are not what they say.
Come to the tropics and experience the reality and build your opinion based on facts, not on what you read on a magazine or newspaper.

JRE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,<br />
I am a medium banana farmer from El Oro in Ecuador.  I read the comment from Mr. BuendÃ­a and I need to agree with him.</p>
<p>FLO (Fairtrade Labeling Organization) from Germnay is a big fraud.<br />
Did you know that a grower organization have to pay 2500 Euros to apply for certification? and there is not guaranty to get certified.  If the organization do not pay, FLO will not inspect them, and still they can be not certified and FLO will keep the 2500 Euros.<br />
Then, the growers sell the fruit to an Fairtrade certified exporter, who also will pay FLO no less than 2500 Euros.<br />
The exporter ship the fruit to Europe or USA and to an certified importer who also paid no less than 2500 Euros for its certification plus a &#8220;tax&#8221; on their sales.<br />
Then, the importers distribute the fairtrade fruit among certified retailers who also pais for its certification and the &#8220;tax&#8221; for the sales.</p>
<p>When the fruit is already at the retail store, the consumer, it means YOU, pay an extra price for the fairtrade banana&#8230;</p>
<p>It is supose that the whole extra price or premium will go to the certified growers in the developing countries but&#8230; have you heard about any project financed by Fairtrade?, did you find any information about the use of the premium you paid for the fairtrade product?</p>
<p>In the real world, a big percentage of the premium goes straight to Bonn in Germany to finance FLO and all its White Elephant(burocracy).</p>
<p>I at least prefer the iniciatives from the big companies like Dole because they have to be accountable and at least they are showing us faces and histories, and they are not saying that they are non profit, of course they are for profit, but they are letting us access information that nobody is sharing with us.</p>
<p>I also ask you and all nice persons from US to find the truth about FLO, they are not what they say.<br />
Come to the tropics and experience the reality and build your opinion based on facts, not on what you read on a magazine or newspaper.</p>
<p>JRE.</p>
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		<title>By: Manolo BuendÃ­a</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/going-bananas-chiquita-supplies-guns-to-save-environment/comment-page-1/#comment-73700</link>
		<dc:creator>Manolo BuendÃ­a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 04:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are so inocent and you feel like experts!
Did you know that the OKE Fairtrade bananas are currently produced by the same producers who sell their fruit to Dole and Chiquita, so whatÂ´s the difference with OKE?
I am a banana producer form Machala in Ecuador, I know what I am saying because a see it every day, I do not read it on the newspapers.

This is not about transnationals or fairtrade certified companies, at the end been fairtrade certified means nothing.  Fairtrade certifiation is manipulated by only one certification company FLO CERT based in Germany, they charge the producer, they charge the exporter, they charge the importer and the retailer, at the end one fairtrade banana produced a big bunch of money for FLO and only few cents go for the growers, so please stop saying that fairtrade is the answer, because it is far away from been the answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are so inocent and you feel like experts!<br />
Did you know that the OKE Fairtrade bananas are currently produced by the same producers who sell their fruit to Dole and Chiquita, so whatÂ´s the difference with OKE?<br />
I am a banana producer form Machala in Ecuador, I know what I am saying because a see it every day, I do not read it on the newspapers.</p>
<p>This is not about transnationals or fairtrade certified companies, at the end been fairtrade certified means nothing.  Fairtrade certifiation is manipulated by only one certification company FLO CERT based in Germany, they charge the producer, they charge the exporter, they charge the importer and the retailer, at the end one fairtrade banana produced a big bunch of money for FLO and only few cents go for the growers, so please stop saying that fairtrade is the answer, because it is far away from been the answer.</p>
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		<title>By: Johan</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/going-bananas-chiquita-supplies-guns-to-save-environment/comment-page-1/#comment-73390</link>
		<dc:creator>Johan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>did I mean cease or seize?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>did I mean cease or seize?</p>
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		<title>By: Rodney North</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/going-bananas-chiquita-supplies-guns-to-save-environment/comment-page-1/#comment-73352</link>
		<dc:creator>Rodney North</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 01:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good work, Siel. Again your putting out there the information and the context that&#039;s missing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good work, Siel. Again your putting out there the information and the context that&#8217;s missing.</p>
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		<title>By: Johan</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/going-bananas-chiquita-supplies-guns-to-save-environment/comment-page-1/#comment-73278</link>
		<dc:creator>Johan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chiquita never seize to surprise you ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chiquita never seize to surprise you &#8230;</p>
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