<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Pricing fair trade certified coffee</title>
	<atom:link href="http://greenlagirl.com/pricing-fair-trade-certified-coffee/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://greenlagirl.com/pricing-fair-trade-certified-coffee/</link>
	<description>Urban environmental lifestyle blog in Los Angeles</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 22:11:18 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Siel</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/pricing-fair-trade-certified-coffee/comment-page-1/#comment-55287</link>
		<dc:creator>Siel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 08:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://greenlagirl.com/2007/02/06/pricing-fair-trade-certified-coffee/#comment-55287</guid>
		<description>I&#039;m all for transparency, but I do think that there&#039;s something to be said for ease of recognition on the consumer&#039;s part. I say this as someone who DOES think consumers DO need to take more responsibility for their actions -- yet I also feel that often, coffee companies don&#039;t realize that coffee is just 1 of many many things that people buy.

Meaning: I&#039;ve talked to some diehard fair trade coffee people and asked them about their other buying practices. Where&#039;d they get their computers, for ex? What car do they drive, and why? How did they furnish their houses? Where do they get their clothes? Have they signed up for green energy? Do they buy carbon offsets? 

To almost all of these Qs, almost all of these wonderful coffee companies have replied with a &quot;um, I don&#039;t know, but yeah, that&#039;s important&quot; sort of response.

My point is that we are all people who buy many things other than coffee. Of course, if our life&#039;s work&#039;s in coffee, we&#039;re gonna feel that others should also put a lotta research into that field as we&#039;re passionate about it and see its importance. 

But most people are not working in the coffee business. And while I don&#039;t want to dumb things down to the simple &quot;look for the label&quot; level, I&#039;m also skeptical about a program that -- despite its wonderful efforts at transparency -- basically would require people to slog through a lot of complicated information -- AND research what that information means to try to make sense of it.

We could very easily limit the fair trade movement down to the full-time -- or at least a v. serious part time -- diehards. But that, to me, seems an elitist move. I feel lucky to have discovered the fair trade movement, and I&#039;d like to see a fair trade movement that&#039;s not so prohibitive as to scare away potential new activists --</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m all for transparency, but I do think that there&#8217;s something to be said for ease of recognition on the consumer&#8217;s part. I say this as someone who DOES think consumers DO need to take more responsibility for their actions &#8212; yet I also feel that often, coffee companies don&#8217;t realize that coffee is just 1 of many many things that people buy.</p>
<p>Meaning: I&#8217;ve talked to some diehard fair trade coffee people and asked them about their other buying practices. Where&#8217;d they get their computers, for ex? What car do they drive, and why? How did they furnish their houses? Where do they get their clothes? Have they signed up for green energy? Do they buy carbon offsets? </p>
<p>To almost all of these Qs, almost all of these wonderful coffee companies have replied with a &#8220;um, I don&#8217;t know, but yeah, that&#8217;s important&#8221; sort of response.</p>
<p>My point is that we are all people who buy many things other than coffee. Of course, if our life&#8217;s work&#8217;s in coffee, we&#8217;re gonna feel that others should also put a lotta research into that field as we&#8217;re passionate about it and see its importance. </p>
<p>But most people are not working in the coffee business. And while I don&#8217;t want to dumb things down to the simple &#8220;look for the label&#8221; level, I&#8217;m also skeptical about a program that &#8212; despite its wonderful efforts at transparency &#8212; basically would require people to slog through a lot of complicated information &#8212; AND research what that information means to try to make sense of it.</p>
<p>We could very easily limit the fair trade movement down to the full-time &#8212; or at least a v. serious part time &#8212; diehards. But that, to me, seems an elitist move. I feel lucky to have discovered the fair trade movement, and I&#8217;d like to see a fair trade movement that&#8217;s not so prohibitive as to scare away potential new activists &#8211;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/pricing-fair-trade-certified-coffee/comment-page-1/#comment-55159</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 19:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://greenlagirl.com/2007/02/06/pricing-fair-trade-certified-coffee/#comment-55159</guid>
		<description>Siel, this alternative system couldn&#039;t abandon certification altogether. There would always need to be some indicator that a product was part of the system. The distinction is that it wouldn&#039;t certify the price, but the transparency. Our sense is that with full transparency, the price takes care of itself, and much more dynamically than currently.

I understand your critique, and I address it in the next issue of JT, which should be out today.

e, we haven&#039;t said that this will necessarily compete with FLO&#039;s certification. There&#039;s no reason a seller couldn&#039;t have both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Siel, this alternative system couldn&#8217;t abandon certification altogether. There would always need to be some indicator that a product was part of the system. The distinction is that it wouldn&#8217;t certify the price, but the transparency. Our sense is that with full transparency, the price takes care of itself, and much more dynamically than currently.</p>
<p>I understand your critique, and I address it in the next issue of JT, which should be out today.</p>
<p>e, we haven&#8217;t said that this will necessarily compete with FLO&#8217;s certification. There&#8217;s no reason a seller couldn&#8217;t have both.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: e</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/pricing-fair-trade-certified-coffee/comment-page-1/#comment-55152</link>
		<dc:creator>e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 18:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://greenlagirl.com/2007/02/06/pricing-fair-trade-certified-coffee/#comment-55152</guid>
		<description>I wonder sometimes why those who are critical of FLO build their own structure exclusive of FLO certification rather than building upon it.

I agree that FLO is becoming more mainstream, and decisions such as pricing are slow and tedious.  However, I do not find this a reason to throw out the whole system.  Rather, this mainstream migration opens up new markets for other certifications that build upon the FLO standards (Not only are we FLO Certified but we are also....).  And someday those &quot;higher&quot; standards will be considered slow and ineffective.  This movement is in a positive direction.  We should harmoniously blend with it, while striving for more excellence... rather, than be devisive.  There is a positive way to do this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder sometimes why those who are critical of FLO build their own structure exclusive of FLO certification rather than building upon it.</p>
<p>I agree that FLO is becoming more mainstream, and decisions such as pricing are slow and tedious.  However, I do not find this a reason to throw out the whole system.  Rather, this mainstream migration opens up new markets for other certifications that build upon the FLO standards (Not only are we FLO Certified but we are also&#8230;.).  And someday those &#8220;higher&#8221; standards will be considered slow and ineffective.  This movement is in a positive direction.  We should harmoniously blend with it, while striving for more excellence&#8230; rather, than be devisive.  There is a positive way to do this.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Cam</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/pricing-fair-trade-certified-coffee/comment-page-1/#comment-55036</link>
		<dc:creator>Cam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 07:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://greenlagirl.com/2007/02/06/pricing-fair-trade-certified-coffee/#comment-55036</guid>
		<description>ah siel, you are ever the response one!!! :)

yes you have to visit. we&#039;ll organise something and bring you out for a speakers tour ;) fire up all the young activists here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ah siel, you are ever the response one!!! :)</p>
<p>yes you have to visit. we&#8217;ll organise something and bring you out for a speakers tour ;) fire up all the young activists here.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Siel</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/pricing-fair-trade-certified-coffee/comment-page-1/#comment-55003</link>
		<dc:creator>Siel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 03:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://greenlagirl.com/2007/02/06/pricing-fair-trade-certified-coffee/#comment-55003</guid>
		<description>Steve -- I&#039;m not sure that what you&#039;re proposing moves away from certification. I see how it moves away from certification by FLO or TFUSA, but from what I can tell, it&#039;ll still require some sort of certification. I&#039;m not saying certification&#039;s bad -- I think it&#039;s necessary, in fact. I&#039;m just trying to clarify the argument you&#039;re making. It&#039;s interesting to me personally b/c my critique about your Just Things was exactly about my feeling that Just Things too strongly equated fair trade with certification :)

Cam -- Just corrected the mixup on the post! Sorry about that -- Hope all&#039;s well in Australia -- I wanna visit one day --</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve &#8212; I&#8217;m not sure that what you&#8217;re proposing moves away from certification. I see how it moves away from certification by FLO or TFUSA, but from what I can tell, it&#8217;ll still require some sort of certification. I&#8217;m not saying certification&#8217;s bad &#8212; I think it&#8217;s necessary, in fact. I&#8217;m just trying to clarify the argument you&#8217;re making. It&#8217;s interesting to me personally b/c my critique about your Just Things was exactly about my feeling that Just Things too strongly equated fair trade with certification :)</p>
<p>Cam &#8212; Just corrected the mixup on the post! Sorry about that &#8212; Hope all&#8217;s well in Australia &#8212; I wanna visit one day &#8211;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Cam</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/pricing-fair-trade-certified-coffee/comment-page-1/#comment-54968</link>
		<dc:creator>Cam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 01:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://greenlagirl.com/2007/02/06/pricing-fair-trade-certified-coffee/#comment-54968</guid>
		<description>hey siel

thanks for all your fantasticness. you are read every day over here in ANZ.

just a note - FTAANZ is NOT a member of FLO. Fairtrade Labelling ANZ is a member of FLO. FTAANZ and Fairtrade Labelling ANZ are two different orgs.

love from down under</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey siel</p>
<p>thanks for all your fantasticness. you are read every day over here in ANZ.</p>
<p>just a note &#8211; FTAANZ is NOT a member of FLO. Fairtrade Labelling ANZ is a member of FLO. FTAANZ and Fairtrade Labelling ANZ are two different orgs.</p>
<p>love from down under</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/pricing-fair-trade-certified-coffee/comment-page-1/#comment-54881</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 17:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://greenlagirl.com/2007/02/06/pricing-fair-trade-certified-coffee/#comment-54881</guid>
		<description>My worry is that all this is symptomatic of deeper tensions in the very idea that &quot;certification = fair trade.&quot; As long as we buy into that formula, we&#039;ll find ourselves in the current situation: we let someone else decide for us what is fair, and that entity becomes a bottleneck when a need for change arises.

I don&#039;t believe this stems from a lack of good will on the part of the people in TransFair USA, or even necessarily FLO itself. I think it&#039;s a structural problem, and I think it requires a structural solution. 

The folks at Just Coffee and I have started thinking about &lt;a href=&quot;http://justthings.info/alternative&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;what such a structural solution might look like&lt;/a&gt;. We would love your feedback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My worry is that all this is symptomatic of deeper tensions in the very idea that &#8220;certification = fair trade.&#8221; As long as we buy into that formula, we&#8217;ll find ourselves in the current situation: we let someone else decide for us what is fair, and that entity becomes a bottleneck when a need for change arises.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe this stems from a lack of good will on the part of the people in TransFair USA, or even necessarily FLO itself. I think it&#8217;s a structural problem, and I think it requires a structural solution. </p>
<p>The folks at Just Coffee and I have started thinking about <a href="http://justthings.info/alternative" rel="nofollow">what such a structural solution might look like</a>. We would love your feedback.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

