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		<title>By: Siel</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/quicky-with-the-mermaid/comment-page-1/#comment-1049</link>
		<dc:creator>Siel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2006 06:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heart Fast Food Nation. Of course, that got many of my food phobias started... Still, a valuable read --

Hmm... Nothing like LSD&#039;ers to drive you to bacon cheeseburgers -- I&#039;ll chalk this experience up to one of those naive, high school experiences -- How old were those hippies? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heart Fast Food Nation. Of course, that got many of my food phobias started&#8230; Still, a valuable read &#8211;</p>
<p>Hmm&#8230; Nothing like LSD&#8217;ers to drive you to bacon cheeseburgers &#8212; I&#8217;ll chalk this experience up to one of those naive, high school experiences &#8212; How old were those hippies? ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Chris O'Brien</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/quicky-with-the-mermaid/comment-page-1/#comment-1044</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2006 23:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Siel,

You probably know that the whole drive-thru phenom began in SoCal, but if you&#039;re interested in learning more about how it occurred, Fast Food Nation is a fantastic read. Another great read is the Great Good Place, by Ray Oldenburg, which is about how to create the opposite of fast food culture. 

But speaking of drive-thrus, I hope you will permit me to recount a personal fast food experience. I was fresh out of high school and traveling the country with no money and a beat up Mercury Lynx. I picked up hitch hikers for company and to help fund the gas I needed to keep moving. I ended up with a band of hippies who were traveling to a Rainbow Gathering. I spent a few days with them in the Rocky Mountains as this event was getting set up. I got pretty turned off by the whole thing - lots of self-righteous attitudes, drug-induced stupidity, and fake nature spiritality. Just as the gathering was officially starting and hordes of people were arriving, I coldn&#039;t take it any more. So I got in my car and headed for the nearest city, which was Denver, and without awareness of the irony, went straight to a Burger King drive thru and ordered a bacon double chesseburger. At the time, I had been vegetarian for about three years. I suppose it was an unconscious need to purge myself of the phoniness of the Rainbow Gathering by indulging in something that was at least honest about itself - fast food. It was perhaps the only time in my life that I found a quite appropriate moment to avail myself of a drive thru.

Happy New Year,
Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Siel,</p>
<p>You probably know that the whole drive-thru phenom began in SoCal, but if you&#8217;re interested in learning more about how it occurred, Fast Food Nation is a fantastic read. Another great read is the Great Good Place, by Ray Oldenburg, which is about how to create the opposite of fast food culture. </p>
<p>But speaking of drive-thrus, I hope you will permit me to recount a personal fast food experience. I was fresh out of high school and traveling the country with no money and a beat up Mercury Lynx. I picked up hitch hikers for company and to help fund the gas I needed to keep moving. I ended up with a band of hippies who were traveling to a Rainbow Gathering. I spent a few days with them in the Rocky Mountains as this event was getting set up. I got pretty turned off by the whole thing &#8211; lots of self-righteous attitudes, drug-induced stupidity, and fake nature spiritality. Just as the gathering was officially starting and hordes of people were arriving, I coldn&#8217;t take it any more. So I got in my car and headed for the nearest city, which was Denver, and without awareness of the irony, went straight to a Burger King drive thru and ordered a bacon double chesseburger. At the time, I had been vegetarian for about three years. I suppose it was an unconscious need to purge myself of the phoniness of the Rainbow Gathering by indulging in something that was at least honest about itself &#8211; fast food. It was perhaps the only time in my life that I found a quite appropriate moment to avail myself of a drive thru.</p>
<p>Happy New Year,<br />
Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Siel</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/quicky-with-the-mermaid/comment-page-1/#comment-1042</link>
		<dc:creator>Siel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2006 17:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, yeah. Drive-thrus are convenient in a car culture world. As are instant coffees, junk food, and automatic espresso machines. I just think we also lose a lot with the convenience...

And ya know -- in SoCal, where the Starbucks drive-thrus started out, it&#039;s rarely goes below 40, let alone 40 below... ;) I never missed drive-thru coffee while living in Indiana during winter. But then again, I&#039;m baby-free!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, yeah. Drive-thrus are convenient in a car culture world. As are instant coffees, junk food, and automatic espresso machines. I just think we also lose a lot with the convenience&#8230;</p>
<p>And ya know &#8212; in SoCal, where the Starbucks drive-thrus started out, it&#8217;s rarely goes below 40, let alone 40 below&#8230; ;) I never missed drive-thru coffee while living in Indiana during winter. But then again, I&#8217;m baby-free!</p>
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		<title>By: Monkey</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/quicky-with-the-mermaid/comment-page-1/#comment-1041</link>
		<dc:creator>Monkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2006 16:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually think that drive-thrus can be a real blessing.  I, at one time, worked for Victor Allens Coffee in Madison, Wisconsin.  They built, what I believe to be, the first coffee drive-thru in the nation.  When it&#039;s 40 below and you need your coffee, it&#039;s good to be in a warm car.
As a parent of a small monkey, it is very connvenient to order in a drive thru situation without having to remove him from the car, get out the stroller, make sure his Rottweiler sister has enough air, etc, etc.
One comment on Starbucks.  I think they do a fine job on a grand scale.  I just wish they wouldn&#039;t use those crappy automatic espresso machines.  We went there this morning, just to take a break from our own coffee, and my latte tasted like dishwater...  And Howard, back off the Allanis Morrisette CD&#039;s!
Happy New Year!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually think that drive-thrus can be a real blessing.  I, at one time, worked for Victor Allens Coffee in Madison, Wisconsin.  They built, what I believe to be, the first coffee drive-thru in the nation.  When it&#8217;s 40 below and you need your coffee, it&#8217;s good to be in a warm car.<br />
As a parent of a small monkey, it is very connvenient to order in a drive thru situation without having to remove him from the car, get out the stroller, make sure his Rottweiler sister has enough air, etc, etc.<br />
One comment on Starbucks.  I think they do a fine job on a grand scale.  I just wish they wouldn&#8217;t use those crappy automatic espresso machines.  We went there this morning, just to take a break from our own coffee, and my latte tasted like dishwater&#8230;  And Howard, back off the Allanis Morrisette CD&#8217;s!<br />
Happy New Year!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/quicky-with-the-mermaid/comment-page-1/#comment-1032</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2006 02:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can remember the last time I used a drive-thru, years ago now. I found myself waiting in a line of cars a dozen long and noticed that the restaurant itself was nearly vacant. I got out, ordered my food inside, and was on my way before the line outside had budged. And I had the bonus of talking to a human being. It wasn&#039;t even a question of convenience versus quality of life. It was a question of obstinate stupidity versus a little common sense.

The newest Starbucks within walking distance of my house is barely more than a drive thru itself. The interior is just a long unaccommodating corridor with a few tables crammed haphazardly along the edges, and I can never read in the outdoor area because of the distracting noise from the drive-thru speaker. I choose not to use the drive thru because I figure I could use the human interaction, but it defeats the purpose when the person I talk to is speaking out the other side of his mouth into the drive-thru mic headset.

I find it depressing. I used to like Starbucks, I really did. The two of us were inseparable. These days, though, I find the local donut shop more atmospheric. Certainly less soul-destroying ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can remember the last time I used a drive-thru, years ago now. I found myself waiting in a line of cars a dozen long and noticed that the restaurant itself was nearly vacant. I got out, ordered my food inside, and was on my way before the line outside had budged. And I had the bonus of talking to a human being. It wasn&#8217;t even a question of convenience versus quality of life. It was a question of obstinate stupidity versus a little common sense.</p>
<p>The newest Starbucks within walking distance of my house is barely more than a drive thru itself. The interior is just a long unaccommodating corridor with a few tables crammed haphazardly along the edges, and I can never read in the outdoor area because of the distracting noise from the drive-thru speaker. I choose not to use the drive thru because I figure I could use the human interaction, but it defeats the purpose when the person I talk to is speaking out the other side of his mouth into the drive-thru mic headset.</p>
<p>I find it depressing. I used to like Starbucks, I really did. The two of us were inseparable. These days, though, I find the local donut shop more atmospheric. Certainly less soul-destroying &#8230;</p>
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