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	<title>Comments on: Walkable neighborhoods: The privilege of paying more to walk more</title>
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		<title>By: Siel</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/walkable-neighborhoods-the-privilege-of-paying-more-to-walk-more/comment-page-1/#comment-462585</link>
		<dc:creator>Siel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 00:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rachel -- V. much agree with you, especially about the elderly perhaps benefiting more from living in denser areas. This is a point I tried to bring up &lt;a href=&quot;http://greenlagirl.com/vote-reluctant-yes-on-prop-12/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in my post about Prop 12&lt;/a&gt;, which gave benefits to veterans for buying houses (presumably more likely to be in the &#039;burbs) but not for renting apartments....

M -- I hear you with different people wanting different levels of social interaction / interaction w/ nature, etc. in life. That said, I would say that in general, right now, people are getting neither to commune with nature or with other people as much as they like. Of course, there are exceptions....

Erica -- Not sure if you&#039;ve been following the &lt;a href=&quot;http://greenlagirl.com/category/de-car-ing/carfreemondays/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Car Free Mondays&lt;/a&gt; series here, but in case you&#039;re new -- I think you&#039;d really enjoy reading what these women have to say about the reactions of car-dependent people :) Often, I think these fears of being mugged / assaulted are not all just fears, but go-to excuses for people who want reasons for why they don&#039;t want to change their lifestyle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rachel &#8212; V. much agree with you, especially about the elderly perhaps benefiting more from living in denser areas. This is a point I tried to bring up <a href="http://greenlagirl.com/vote-reluctant-yes-on-prop-12/" rel="nofollow">in my post about Prop 12</a>, which gave benefits to veterans for buying houses (presumably more likely to be in the &#8216;burbs) but not for renting apartments&#8230;.</p>
<p>M &#8212; I hear you with different people wanting different levels of social interaction / interaction w/ nature, etc. in life. That said, I would say that in general, right now, people are getting neither to commune with nature or with other people as much as they like. Of course, there are exceptions&#8230;.</p>
<p>Erica &#8212; Not sure if you&#8217;ve been following the <a href="http://greenlagirl.com/category/de-car-ing/carfreemondays/" rel="nofollow">Car Free Mondays</a> series here, but in case you&#8217;re new &#8212; I think you&#8217;d really enjoy reading what these women have to say about the reactions of car-dependent people :) Often, I think these fears of being mugged / assaulted are not all just fears, but go-to excuses for people who want reasons for why they don&#8217;t want to change their lifestyle.</p>
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		<title>By: Erica</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/walkable-neighborhoods-the-privilege-of-paying-more-to-walk-more/comment-page-1/#comment-462418</link>
		<dc:creator>Erica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I moved from a house in a Dallas suburb to an apartment in NW DC, I started paying about $250 more for housing (for 1/3 the space).  However, that is offset by the fact that I sold my car so I save on insurance, car payment, repairs, gas, etc.  Just the insurance and car payment were over $350 per month, and my metro expenses started at $25 a month out of pre-tax money.  My current job is farther away, so my metro costs have gone up a lot but are still out of pre-tax money.

I really enjoy being able to walk most places, and I don&#039;t mind living in a smaller space to make that happen.  I&#039;m looking into biking to work to cut my metro costs a bit and get away from the throngs of people.

I know that there are a lot of places that are just not walkable, but I do think that the cost difference between walkable and non-walkable &#039;hoods will decrease over time if people show a desire for it.  A lot of how we got here was through car companies deliberate actions, so it won&#039;t be easy to undo.  Rebuilding infrastructure is harder than tearing it down in the first place.  

I was having a conversation with someone recently and she was giving all of the reasons why she NEEDED a car despite living in a metro-accessible apartment in a dense city.  I finally got her to at least be able to see that she has a car because she wants one which I think is a big step.  It isn&#039;t bad for people to have something just because they want it, but we can&#039;t change minds if they can&#039;t even see where the decision originates.  What was very interesting to me is how many of her reasons had to do with safety.  I think that is a big problem in the minds of many people.  I try to explain that statistically speaking, you are safer if you are walking or on a train/bus than if you are driving but people have internalized the dangers of being in a car so much that they are invisible.  There is a heightened perception of the dangers from being mugged or otherwise assaulted on the street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I moved from a house in a Dallas suburb to an apartment in NW DC, I started paying about $250 more for housing (for 1/3 the space).  However, that is offset by the fact that I sold my car so I save on insurance, car payment, repairs, gas, etc.  Just the insurance and car payment were over $350 per month, and my metro expenses started at $25 a month out of pre-tax money.  My current job is farther away, so my metro costs have gone up a lot but are still out of pre-tax money.</p>
<p>I really enjoy being able to walk most places, and I don&#8217;t mind living in a smaller space to make that happen.  I&#8217;m looking into biking to work to cut my metro costs a bit and get away from the throngs of people.</p>
<p>I know that there are a lot of places that are just not walkable, but I do think that the cost difference between walkable and non-walkable &#8216;hoods will decrease over time if people show a desire for it.  A lot of how we got here was through car companies deliberate actions, so it won&#8217;t be easy to undo.  Rebuilding infrastructure is harder than tearing it down in the first place.  </p>
<p>I was having a conversation with someone recently and she was giving all of the reasons why she NEEDED a car despite living in a metro-accessible apartment in a dense city.  I finally got her to at least be able to see that she has a car because she wants one which I think is a big step.  It isn&#8217;t bad for people to have something just because they want it, but we can&#8217;t change minds if they can&#8217;t even see where the decision originates.  What was very interesting to me is how many of her reasons had to do with safety.  I think that is a big problem in the minds of many people.  I try to explain that statistically speaking, you are safer if you are walking or on a train/bus than if you are driving but people have internalized the dangers of being in a car so much that they are invisible.  There is a heightened perception of the dangers from being mugged or otherwise assaulted on the street.</p>
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		<title>By: Haley</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/walkable-neighborhoods-the-privilege-of-paying-more-to-walk-more/comment-page-1/#comment-462049</link>
		<dc:creator>Haley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just find it somewhat sad that one has to PAY MORE. If only there a way to incorporate a greener lifestyle for all social classes. But, as you said in the title - it is a privilege.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just find it somewhat sad that one has to PAY MORE. If only there a way to incorporate a greener lifestyle for all social classes. But, as you said in the title &#8211; it is a privilege.</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
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		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yesterday there was a documentary on PBS about the land use laws in and around Portland. It covered many of the benefits and problems of their decisions, which include making the area in the city increasingly expensive to live, even if it is possible to move around without a car. One result was that lower income individuals are pushed further and further out from the city center. While some lower income housing was being developed in the city, I am somewhat skeptical of some lower income housing and how it is used. After seeing a documentary on Skid Row where a guy talks about how he had $60 a month rent and that he has no intent on moving out of that place, it makes me unsure of how to deal with these sorts of issues. 

Another problem is that not everyone needs the same things in life. There are the basic needs of food, water and shelter, but in terms of noise, light pollution, interactions with people vs. interactions with animals/plants and entertainment people have very different tolerances and needs. Assuming that all of those needs can be calculated by a walkscore is rather simplistic (especially since some rather far out things qualify for some of the walk-score categories). Some of my best walking experiences have happened in areas with some of the worst walkscores and I would have never paid the price of being hit by a car like I would in some areas with a very low walkscore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday there was a documentary on PBS about the land use laws in and around Portland. It covered many of the benefits and problems of their decisions, which include making the area in the city increasingly expensive to live, even if it is possible to move around without a car. One result was that lower income individuals are pushed further and further out from the city center. While some lower income housing was being developed in the city, I am somewhat skeptical of some lower income housing and how it is used. After seeing a documentary on Skid Row where a guy talks about how he had $60 a month rent and that he has no intent on moving out of that place, it makes me unsure of how to deal with these sorts of issues. </p>
<p>Another problem is that not everyone needs the same things in life. There are the basic needs of food, water and shelter, but in terms of noise, light pollution, interactions with people vs. interactions with animals/plants and entertainment people have very different tolerances and needs. Assuming that all of those needs can be calculated by a walkscore is rather simplistic (especially since some rather far out things qualify for some of the walk-score categories). Some of my best walking experiences have happened in areas with some of the worst walkscores and I would have never paid the price of being hit by a car like I would in some areas with a very low walkscore.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel (Heart of Light)</title>
		<link>http://greenlagirl.com/walkable-neighborhoods-the-privilege-of-paying-more-to-walk-more/comment-page-1/#comment-462035</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel (Heart of Light)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I don&#039;t know about home buyers, but my partner and I definitely pay more to live in a walkable neighborhood and we&#039;re completely happy with that decision. When we moved to LA we were deciding between Palms (still has bus lines, but less convenient) vs. Brentwood. Brentwood won and we&#039;ve found that we can share a car and we barely ever use it. Living walking distance from Wilshire, Sunset and Santa Monica Blvd means that I can bus almost anywhere in the city, but we have almost everything we need within a one mile radius of our apartment. 
I find it curious that the suburbs are our model of living, because it would be so much easier for elderly people to live in an apartment like we do. No need to drive, easy access to everything, less isolation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I don&#8217;t know about home buyers, but my partner and I definitely pay more to live in a walkable neighborhood and we&#8217;re completely happy with that decision. When we moved to LA we were deciding between Palms (still has bus lines, but less convenient) vs. Brentwood. Brentwood won and we&#8217;ve found that we can share a car and we barely ever use it. Living walking distance from Wilshire, Sunset and Santa Monica Blvd means that I can bus almost anywhere in the city, but we have almost everything we need within a one mile radius of our apartment.<br />
I find it curious that the suburbs are our model of living, because it would be so much easier for elderly people to live in an apartment like we do. No need to drive, easy access to everything, less isolation.</p>
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